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The Future’s Blue! said:
Interesting how Sky have just covered the Rayner issue. Straight down the middle, only facts and no conjecture. Not seen too much of this on Sky and looks like they’ve had word not to overplay it.
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mancityvstoke said:
Moving to Brighton but an MP for TrAshton Shameside tells you all you need to know.
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After a late night sitting in Parliament, is there a train back to Ashton?
 
Chippy_boy said:
She doesn't need to claim beneficial interest, she may be deemed to have it. According to tax guidelines anyone with lifelong access to the property is deemed to have a beneficial interest.

Anyway, you said and I quote: "If he was over 18 she categorically would not have been in any trouble."

That statement is absolutely incorrect. "if he was over 18 she MAY NOT have been in any trouble" would be accurate.

It depends upon whether the HMRC determined that you have a beneficial interest in the property, and I suggest that someone declaring that (a) it is her main residence and (b) that she will be living there - even temporarily - to look after her son - would stuggle to get away with it.

SDLTM09815 - SDLT - higher rates for additional dwellings: interests treated as owned by an individual, trusts, children [including children subject to the Mental Health Acts]​

Trusts​

Where a dwelling is owned by another person subject to a trust which gives an individual a right to occupy the dwelling for life or the right to the income earned in respect of the dwelling, that individual is treated as owning the interest.

www.gov.uk

SDLTM09815 - SDLT - higher rates for additional dwellings: interests treated as owned by an individual, trusts, children [including children subject to the Mental Health Acts] - HMRC internal manual - GOV.UK

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But either way, the reality is more nuanced than you seem willing to accept.
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It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
 
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mancityvstoke said:
The sad thing for me being a Labour supporter all my life is that the actions of this Govt over the past year have totally made me disillusioned with Labour and many others will probably vote for fucking Farage and his cronies. They all seem to be in the same pot/trough.

Sad times for this country.
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Why don’t you consider an independent candidate next time? I binned two party politics over eight years ago….i realise I’ll never be voting for anyone whose party will form a government but I became completely disillusioned with both main parties…

Wasted vote? …perhaps
Clear conscience….most definitely
 
meltonblue said:
It’s not more nuanced, you’re trying to make it so incorrectly. She no longer has a financial interest in the house, it is now all in trust. How can HMRC determine she has a beneficial interest in the house when she’ll obviously not claim to have one and she’s already shown by putting it in trust she doesn’t want one? It’s her son, in what circumstance do you think she’d need to have a right in place or would request that?

You’re misunderstanding what a beneficial interest actually is.
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He's not misunderstanding. He knows what he's doing.
 
Given the level of scrutiny she has received into her property dealings you'd think she'd tread carefully so zero sympathy. That said she clearly has had a target on her back since becoming deputy .... and it is not solely down to the RW press.





Again zero sympathy

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DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
Why don’t you consider an independent candidate next time? I binned two party politics over eight years ago….i realise I’ll never be voting for anyone whose party will form a government but I became completely disillusioned with both main parties…

Wasted vote? …perhaps
Clear conscience….most definitely
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Voting green......or anyone who won't win.

So that's my ticket for the cattle truck to a camp booked.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Politicians acting with integrity?
Let’s take Robert Jenrick, a privately educated man, who talks a bit posh and went to Cambridge.
Housing minister who dithered over Grenfell and saw a further 10 fires on his watch.
He charged tax payers £100,000 for a third home in Newark that he ‘used rarely’.
His department awarded funding to his constituency in a process that was not ‘opaque or impartial’
Obviously he was another Covid wanker who said do as I say not as I do as he broke lockdown rules at least twice but stayed on.
He had a Tory council overrule officials on building an extension, due to the damaging impact on a conservation area.

He then approved a £ billion luxury housing development to his mate Richard Desmond, a Tory donor, despite huge opposition and he did it in a rush, on a date which meant Desmond didn’t have to pay a levy of over £30M, which would have applied a few days later. He also allowed Desmond to ‘save’ over £100M by scraping London wide rules for 35% affordable housing to only 21% for this particular development only.
He said that lying on a CV, in the real world, means you resign and lose your job. Obviously, he then had to later admit that he’d lied on his CV!

And, of course, most recently, risked the collapse of a particularly heinous murder trial with his ill timed tweets. That former justice minister and now shadow secretary of stated for Justice.
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You forgot that after Jenrick acted unlawfully on rushing the Desmond deal, Desmond gave a donation to the Tory Party.

If I was as suspicious as @Chippy_boy I'd say that had been agreed beforehand.
 
mancityvstoke said:
I'm not battering my eyelids.....sounds painful.

One in Greater Manchester.....Brighton? Why that far away from her constituency?

It's all very confusing and doesn't look good for us who voted for her especially now Ashton is going from bad to worse.
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It was a UK holiday home I believe, I can't bloody wait to move out of Ashton, the only thing keeping me here is my dear 89 year old mother who has lived here since they came here in 1968.

It's painful see how bad it is when walking through Ashton Town Centre now. Thankfully don't need to go into the centre much.
 
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