What has the UK become under the far right influence?

[meltonblue]

You're right.

Farage has seized the moment, but if a week is a long time in politics, four years is an eternity.

He can't keep his shit show of lies on the road for that long, he will fall victim to his own contradictions, there are elements of the far right already calling him a cop out, and his councillors are inept, lazy and can't keep their racism in the closet. Time is not on his side, that's why his allies are trying to talk up civil disorder to somehow trigger an early election, it might look like he's strutting, but I sense he's already peaked and he knows it.

Platforming an anti vaxxer and Lucy Connelly were both bad moves at their conference.

 

[johnny crossan]

You're right.

Farage has seized the moment, but if a week is a long time in politics, four years is an eternity.

He can't keep his shit show of lies on the road for that long, he will fall victim to his own contradictions, there are elements of the far right already calling him a cop out, and his councillors are inept, lazy and can't keep their racism in the closet. Time is not on his side, that's why his allies are trying to talk up civil disorder to somehow trigger an early election, it might look like he's strutting, but I sense he's already peaked and he knows it.

underestimate Farage at your peril.

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[City Hobgoblin]

Platforming an anti vaxxer and Lucy Connelly were both bad moves at their conference.

And getting Dorries on board, who is vacuous irrelevance personified ,and someone he had personally slagged off when she was in the cult of Johnson.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Come on, look at the issues that we’re facing today.

Over the past 20-30 years the the idea of ‘progression, intersectionalism, identify politics there’s various names for it, all stemming from left wing roots has had a huge impact on this country. Putting people into groups and causing division within society, Perpetuated and encouraged at universities, embodied in the civil service and government offices.

In my view, it has eroded the fabric of society. In combination with this pathetic political system with spineless politicians who only think of their short term interests.

I know you view things differently but this is just my opinion. Not from good old USA or any other part of the world.

Like most things in life it is about balance I’m and I do fear that this country has shifted too much in one direction hence the backlash.

Yours very respectfully

The biggest cause of the current divide in society was the Brexit vote.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You're right.

Farage has seized the moment, but if a week is a long time in politics, four years is an eternity.

He can't keep his shit show of lies on the road for that long, he will fall victim to his own contradictions, there are elements of the far right already calling him a cop out, and his councillors are inept, lazy and can't keep their racism in the closet. Time is not on his side, that's why his allies are trying to talk up civil disorder to somehow trigger an early election, it might look like he's strutting, but I sense he's already peaked and he knows it.

The potential implosion of the Trump administration/mother time catching up with him and the fall out of what is to come in the US might put people off too.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The biggest cause of the current divide in society was the Brexit vote.

The Brexit vote was a symptom not a cause.

 

[meltonblue]

The biggest cause of the current divide in society was the Brexit vote.

Think it’s all been a consequence of the 2008 financial crisis.

 

[johnny crossan]

Think it’s all been a consequence of the 2008 financial crisis.

Much earlier - post 1945 if you agree with David Runciman - which I do.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

underestimate Farage at your peril.

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Are you a follower?

 

[meltonblue]

Much earlier - post 1945 if you agree with David Runciman - which I do.

I don’t think the immediate post war decisions are that relevant to the issues we’re discussing today, like he says in the clip you posted, there was a volte face in the seventies, and there’s been further forks in the road since.

I don’t think Brexit, or any of the subsequent debates, happen without the financial crisis.

I enjoyed listening to him, thanks for posting :)

 

[Vic]

English ethnicity is not immutable, but it does exist. You may not be aware but a number of Brits who are descended from folk who originated from the former colonies of the British Empire, now the Commonwealth, are addressing the issue of English ethnicity not by pretending it doesn't exist but seeking to establish themselves as very much a part of our island story. So much of what we consider English ethnicity stems from our history, heritage and lineage, but surely the British Empire was part of that heritage and if so then are they no as much a part of that history, heritage and lineage as anyone waving a flag outside those hotels?

There's much merit in this and I wish them luck, I say luck coz they're going to need it, coz there's another strand of thought that runs alongside which says the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy, a trait all white folk carry to this day and it's this line that connects us all to our slaver forefathers, hence collective white guilt, calls for reparations, critical race theory and whatnot.

It's a buggers muddle, but not as much as you tying yourself in knots trying to pretend English ethnicity doesn't exist at all.

How on earth do you conclude that I think English ethnicity doesn't exist?

Are you actually saying the Windrush generation are of English ethnicity? The subjects of the Raj who moved here likewise? What is there to wish them luck about?

And the 750,000 Irish citizens who came to England in the mid-19th century? When did they become of English ethnicity? Was the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland part of English ethnicity?

Are you denying that the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy? Or just denying it's a "trait" that leads ro the horror of a bit of guilt for killing or enslaving millions of non-white people?

 

[stonerblue]

My son is having to let his girlfriends mum and her son who has various health problems live in their converted garage because she became homeless due to the landlord seeking possession of her property because he wanted to sell it.
She went to the local authority when she was told he was seeking possession of her home and they said come back when you are homeless..which in due course she did and was told " we have no duty to rehouse you but you can join the housing list".
If she came over on a boat then she would be out up in a hotel ..but because she already lives here she would be homeless..
In my honest opinion the Government need to sort out the housing crisis before allowing more people into the country..and I don't care if they are white black yellow or fucking pink and orange striped..
It seems crazy that we have an housing shortage but can house people who have no legal right to be here before housing people who have lived here all their lives and paid taxes insurance etc.

Which local authority?

 

[stonerblue]

There is a huge difference between the Irish, Italians, Poles, Carribeans, Indians etc. They intergrate and share a culture to an extent. Parts of the UK now resemble Islamic enclaves. The women walking round with faces covered to the eyes and the men staring at you like you don’t belong there. I grew up in Oldham, and I have been attacked numerous times for walking through the Asian areas as a kid. Thankfully doesn’t seem as bad now. I do appreciate they probably did it as a retaliation for the idiots who went “pa*I bashing” but the point still stands. Alien cultures to each other.

Here we fucking go.. .

 

[stonerblue]

underestimate Farage at your peril.

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Surely it should be 'MEGA'

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Hate to poke my nose into your discussion but I feel there are legitimate concerns about migrants arriving by boat without in many cases any documentation, I don't believe they should be put up in free hotels, given spending money and allowed to roam the streets. I think the idea of sealed camps until they are processed is a good one. I've asked on here before if you and a few friends rocked up on a beach in Ibiza with no documents would you expect to be put up in a hotel full board and given spending money whilst you enjoyed the beaches?

Honestly, I think it would be helpful for them to actually publish the reasons why people were granted asylum. Not on an individual level obviously, but as statistics. 'X number of people this year were given asylum because of fleeing war,' etc. Because we often hear that X% are granted and X% of appeals are successful, but we are unable to have an opinion on whether we should be granting asylum to people for X or Y. I'm sure most people would accept anyone who has lost everything in a war, but I saw a BBC interview with a people trafficker who was advising his Vietnamese clients to say that they had borrowed a bunch of money from gangsters and couldn't pay it back. And presumably he was advising this because it works, but sorry, I personally don't think that's a valid reason for asylum.

They do publish the countries that people are granted asylum from, and most of them are what you'd expect, but occasionally, you see a country on the list, like Albania, and think 'When was there a war or natural disaster there?' And maybe these claims were absolutely legitimate, but the secretive nature of the whole process means none of us can have an informed opinion on it, which is exactly the sort of thing that fans the flames of conspiracy and leads to far right sentiment around immigration.

 

[blueinsa]

How on earth do you conclude that I think English ethnicity doesn't exist?

Are you actually saying the Windrush generation are of English ethnicity? The subjects of the Raj who moved here likewise? What is there to wish them luck about?

And the 750,000 Irish citizens who came to England in the mid-19th century? When did they become of English ethnicity? Was the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland part of English ethnicity?

Are you denying that the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy? Or just denying it's a "trait" that leads ro the horror of a bit of guilt for killing or enslaving millions of non-white people?

Meanwhile, back in 2025…….

 

[blue by birth]

Which local authority?

Bury

 

[johnny crossan]

I don’t think the immediate post war decisions are that relevant to the issues we’re discussing today, like he says in the clip you posted, there was a volte face in the seventies, and there’s been further forks in the road since.

I don’t think Brexit, or any of the subsequent debates, happen without the financial crisis.

I enjoyed listening to him, thanks for posting :)

Agree there's a lot of factors but an increasing moral vacuum underlies the rise of the right here and elsewhere. The virtues of selfishness are key components of their message.

 

[johnny crossan]

Are you a follower?

No but you'll get over it. Do you share your single braincell with @merlinfan btw?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Think it’s all been a consequence of the 2008 financial crisis.

Austerity for me, it ruined this country and the fact the twats who caused it all have never been brought to task, millions if not billions of lives across the world due to the greed of a few and it’s still going on, until that’s sorted the world is fucked.