What has the UK become under the far right influence?

The biggest issue we face is inequality.
While many have nothing, they will always look for people to blame.
Those who now have everything will promote the idea of someone being to blame.
Donald does it, Nigel does it, GB News do it, The Mail do it.
Poverty breeds resentment.
Failing public services breed resentment.
Misinformation breeds resentment.

Until we address this structural inequality, the parasites who preach patriotism while shuffling their money to offshore havens will always hold the winning hand. That they control the media only makes things much more difficult, and it is why they censor those that do not support them - as Nigel's recent banning of the Byline Times demonstrates, following Donald's censorship of various media sources from the White House press room.
 
Vic said:
...Are you denying that the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy? Or just denying it's a "trait" that leads ro the horror of a bit of guilt for killing or enslaving millions of non-white people?
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Was the Ottoman Empire a manifestation of olive supremacy, the Moghul Empire a brown one and the Mongol Empire a yellow one?
 
johnny crossan said:
No but you'll get over it. Do you share your single braincell with @merlinfan btw?
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What a very strange response! Did you somehow take that question as some form of personal slight?

There seems to be many who don’t like either of those presenters but I find them a decent listen, giving balanced responses to serious questions.
 
Vic said:
How on earth do you conclude that I think English ethnicity doesn't exist?

Are you actually saying the Windrush generation are of English ethnicity? The subjects of the Raj who moved here likewise? What is there to wish them luck about?

And the 750,000 Irish citizens who came to England in the mid-19th century? When did they become of English ethnicity? Was the Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland part of English ethnicity?

Are you denying that the Empire was a manifestation of white supremacy? Or just denying it's a "trait" that leads ro the horror of a bit of guilt for killing or enslaving millions of non-white people?
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I wish them luck if they are seeking to write their story into the story of this country and you see evidence of them attempting to do just that, and I want them to succeed, because they are a part of this country's story and as this fact finds greater and greater acceptance amongst the indigenous population then Englishness grows to encompass that fact. Remember, as I stated, ethnicity is not immutable, for folk to find common cause then their place in that common cause needs to be recognised. If a rightful place is to be claimed at the English, Scottish, Welsh or French and German table for that matter, in order to encompass a larger family, then new stories need to be told about lineage and history and heritage.

Surely even you would welcome that?

Think on this we've had folk in here who have told their story of arriving in this country and making exemplary contributions to the nation's well being, why are they telling that story to us, in here? They're telling it to claim their rightful place at the table, they are interweaving their story into our national story so it becomes part of the tapestry of our history and they're right to do so.

And that is true of their predecessors the Mcalpine's fusiliers and the sons of Ulster who died at the Somme.

The luck they're going to need is not because of the endeavour itself, but because of bad faith actors who want to drive the narrative for their own political purposes, and because of countervailing ideologies that centre around identity and victimhood. They're also going to need luck, for want of a better word, because right wing voices who want to hermetically seal English ethnicity, scream incessantly that many post war immigrants are culturally and religiously incompatible with Judeo-Christian tradition, and of course they're talking about Muslims, in fact many of them talk about little else.

Your final paragraph is a reply in its own right, so I might give it a stab later, suffice to say we disagree.
 
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stonerblue said:
homeless.org.uk

Bury Metropolitan Borough Council - Homeless Section - Homeless England

Homeless England is the most comprehensive database of Homelessness services. You can search by location or type of service to find services in your area.
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Cheers mate butI'm not interested in what it says..I only know they won't help her find anywhere..they put her on housing list but said it could be 2 years before she is at top of the list.
There is a severe lack of social housing in the Bury area apparently due to a lack of investment.
 
So it appears that Mr Farage either lied to his constituents to show his 'local' loyalty, or he lied to the nation to avoid tax scrutiny. Either way, he is a liar.

The job of being an MP should come with an expectation of honesty and integrity.
Full disclosure of all earnings and tax paid would be a real eye-opener, especially for those hypocrites who preach patriotism.

The sad thing is that we know that these companies are shifting their profits through Luxembourg and other havens to avoid tax. We know these MPs and billionaires are burying their wealth in assets because wealth is taxed less than income. And we know that all this is done at the same time as the MPs who allow it plead that public services cannot be afforded. It is a bending of the truth that has delivered complete mistrust and allowed the nation to be utterly polarised. It is destructive and damaging and the potential for serious civil disobedience is upon many nations.
 
its become a place where bots and bad actors can post this shit - and they will catch some dumb bastards in their net - note its Indonesia

 
There’s just too much shit on the internet that any bellend can post, whether they’re far right, far left or just shit-stirrers. Coupled with the propensity for many to be ‘outraged’ these days it’s just a melting pot of shit. Each side making claims without evidence and dragging along more ignorant followers to spout more ignorant shit, right and left. It’s this reach that even the most ignorant dickhead has these days which causes so much anger. The internet revolutionised the world but that is one of the huge downsides to it.
 
oldius said:
The biggest issue we face is inequality.
While many have nothing, they will always look for people to blame.
Those who now have everything will promote the idea of someone being to blame.
Donald does it, Nigel does it, GB News do it, The Mail do it.
Poverty breeds resentment.
Failing public services breed resentment.
Misinformation breeds resentment.

Until we address this structural inequality, the parasites who preach patriotism while shuffling their money to offshore havens will always hold the winning hand. That they control the media only makes things much more difficult, and it is why they censor those that do not support them - as Nigel's recent banning of the Byline Times demonstrates, following Donald's censorship of various media sources from the White House press room.
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Yup, and inequality has always been the main driver of what causes societies to eventually collapse.

I’d really love to see more people, rather than consuming political content online so much, read more history books.
 
bluethrunthru said:
its become a place where bots and bad actors can post this shit - and they will catch some dumb bastards in their net - note its Indonesia

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The problem is it’s like whack a mole. You’ll spend all your life disproving shit like this and another load of bollocks appears.

The internet is full of made up nonsense repeated by people and, if it fits someone’s world view, they’ll likely believe it. They’ll even keep repeating it after having been proved wrong.
 
Semper aggressus said:
There’s just too much shit on the internet that any bellend can post, whether they’re far right, far left or just shit-stirrers. Coupled with the propensity for many to be ‘outraged’ these days it’s just a melting pot of shit. Each side making claims without evidence and dragging along more ignorant followers to spout more ignorant shit, right and left. It’s this reach that even the most ignorant dickhead has these days which causes so much anger. The internet revolutionised the world but that is one of the huge downsides to it.
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'social media' in a nutshell, it is with some incredularity I see how many youngsters believe ANYTHING from the cesspit that is social media as FACT. It's not even OPINION, its total BO**OCKS - I watched that YT Video showing the numpties outside the hotel in fallowfield yesterday on the 'What are you watching?" thread - you've got plod trying to keep at bay two sets of total numpties and in amongst them content desperate social media dickheads waving their iPhones around (including the guy who's YT it was). World's gone totally mad FFS!
 
oldius said:
The biggest issue we face is inequality.
While many have nothing, they will always look for people to blame.
Those who now have everything will promote the idea of someone being to blame.
Donald does it, Nigel does it, GB News do it, The Mail do it.
Poverty breeds resentment.
Failing public services breed resentment.
Misinformation breeds resentment.

Until we address this structural inequality, the parasites who preach patriotism while shuffling their money to offshore havens will always hold the winning hand. That they control the media only makes things much more difficult, and it is why they censor those that do not support them - as Nigel's recent banning of the Byline Times demonstrates, following Donald's censorship of various media sources from the White House press room.
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That is the standard line, it's what John Swinney is peddling north of the border and of course you hear it from Corbyn here and Sanders in the States, the Greens, the Lib Dems it's the same story, round of applause, sorted.

Except it isn't.

They don't come much leafier than Epping and the voices your hear are not all white working class geezers, there's increasingly a middle class timbre to it and a lot of women, I've not seen that before.

And yes scarcity of resources is part of the narrative for sure, but it's they're coming after our women and kids that's at the forefront. The poster child for all this is Lucy Connolly not Nick Griffin. There's a reason this has made the leap from minority racist sport to mainstream and I'm struggling to understand it myself, but parroting the same line over and over again in the hope it'll find traction, when clearly outside of the bubble it isn't, is not only counter productive, it gets in the way of trying to see the problem for what it might be.

There are folk in here so wedded to a narrative that anyone who dares to point out that this time looks different, gets immediately accused of being on the side of the racists, a heretic and a pile on ensues. The progressive left has become such a straitjacket, not everything can be neatly rammed home into it's designated spot no matter how hard you hammer it.
 
The perfect fumble said:
That is the standard line, it's what John Swinney is peddling north of the border and of course you hear it from Corbyn here and Sanders in the States, the Greens, the Lib Dems it's the same story, round of applause, sorted.

Except it isn't.

They don't come much leafier than Epping and the voices your hear are not all white working class geezers, there's increasingly a middle class timbre to it and a lot of women, I've not seen that before.

And yes scarcity of resources is part of the narrative for sure, but it's they're coming after our women and kids that's at the forefront. The poster child for all this is Lucy Connolly not Nick Griffin. There's a reason this has made the leap from minority racist sport to mainstream and I'm struggling to understand it myself, but parroting the same line over and over again in the hope it'll find traction, when clearly outside of the bubble it isn't, is not only counter productive, it gets in the way of trying to see the problem for what it might be.

There are folk in here so wedded to a narrative that anyone who dares to point out that this time looks different, gets immediately accused of being on the side of the racists, a heretic and a pile on ensues. The progressive left has become such a straitjacket, not everything can be neatly rammed home into it's designated spot no matter how hard you hammer it.
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Part of the reason it has made it mainstream is inequality though, amongst other reasons and factors too.

It will move on eventually but I’m not sure it’s going to be a positive intervention that does it.
 
I've said it for years, it was deliberate Tory policy to make people feel more insecure.

If you're insecure, you are grateful for any job at any pay, and you won't rock the boat by asking for more. The social security system, which used to be a certain liferaft, is slowly but surely being whittled away. So people are even more insecure. There is a line of thought (I'm reluctant to honour it with the term philosophy) that feels that if people are too comfortable, too secure, they become idle and unproductive.

And before anyone says it, the so-called Labour Party now occupies the ground where the Tory Party used to stand - before they lost their collective minds over Brexit.

As a bonus, this insecurity invariably makes people look around for someone to blame, and it's always a minority. In 2025, it's new immigrants and Muslims. In the past, it's been black people in general, Jews, Irish people or Eastern Europeans. Tomorrow it could be gays or socialists, or people with brown eyes. Who knows? The objective is simple - divide and rule. The tool of the Boss Class since time immemorial.

And by the 'Boss Class' I don't mean folk on 100k, or the owners of some tinpot little business. I'm talking about people who would regard 100k as petty cash, and whose whole objective in life is to pay as little tax as possible, while claiming to be 'patriots'.

Patriots my arse. They don't give a fuck for this country and still less for you.
 
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