City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

Herbert is nothing more than a client journalist - essentially an extension of Liverpool’s marketing department, whose role very simply is not nor has ever been to apply balance or provide accuracy in his ‘reporting’, but to deliver copium to Liverpool’s fan base.

That’s literally his job.

It’s common practice in sports journalism.

I’m not sure why anyone gives his articles any more credibility than you would the Liverpool FC website, or the Echo.

Don’t get stressed about him - he’s just doing his job.
 
mattcity5 said:
Arsenal fans online tend to think there's a red card vendetta against them.

Liverpool fans point to Rodris 'handball' against Everton and say we get everything.

Every team does moan. Every team has fans that are incredibly one-eyed and see any 50-50 decision that goes against them as proof of bias.

Not saying we don't get shit decisions, we do. They aren't always because of who we are though.
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All you need to do is point to Rashford's offside goal at the swamp, and the Palace goalie - Henderson - in the cup final. Case closed.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
I always defer to your superior knowledge on all matters re football finance and legislation. But I'm baffled by your assertions re APT and 115. The only difference is 115 was a retrospective attempt to illegitimise the Etihad sponsorship and APT is an attempt to illegitimise or throttle any future Etihad sponsorship. It's the PL strategy, as Master's has stated in public, he believes Etihad and City are part of a 'regime', and regimes come and go. He believes that constantly attacking the Etihad sponsorship will make the 'regime' go away. I don't see why you don't also see the 'deep interaction' (nice phrase btw).
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Sounds good but it is just a conspiracy theory. The reality is there were serious allegations re Etihad that led to 115. And there was debatable but legitimate concerns about the escalator on the largest ever British sponsorship deal. The truth is not quite as dramatic but that is my naive take.
 
cheekybids said:
Compare penalties awarded for & against the Rags in the last 50 years.
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You forget that the team attacking the most is in the oppositions penalty area the most. Therefore there are more opprtunities for penalties for one team than the other.

If a dominant Utd have 9 shouts for a penalty in a match and a weak piss poor Liverpool have 1 shout. Then if the referee awards on average say 20%. Utd would get roughly 2 penalties and Liverpool 0.

Simply having the ball in the oppositions box, puts pressure on the defense and increaes the chances of getting a penalty, irrespective of anything else.

So you can't equate it to numbers of penalties alone.

Utd are s**t now and don't get as many as they did.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
But you are comparing us and United which wasn't the original point. You can have a different argument over if you believe United are favoured at different times and you probably wouldn't be far wrong. That isn't what I said though.
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I just chose a clear example which can’t be explained to back up the original argument.
 
TedofChume said:
You forget that the team attacking the most is in the oppositions penalty area the most. Therefore there are more opprtunities for penalties for one team than the other.

If a dominant Utd have 9 shouts for a penalty in a match and a weak piss poor Liverpool have 1 shout. Then if the referee awards on average say 20%. Utd would get roughly 2 penalties and Liverpool 0.

Simply having the ball in the oppositions box, puts pressure on the defense and increaes the chances of getting a penalty, irrespective of anything else.

So you can't equate it to numbers of penalties alone.

Utd are s**t now and don't get as many as they did.
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Oh give me a break I’m on about City v the Rags where we have had the most attacking team of the last 15 years.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Herbert is nothing more than a client journalist - essentially an extension of Liverpool’s marketing department, whose role very simply is not nor has ever been to apply balance or provide accuracy in his ‘reporting’, but to deliver copium to Liverpool’s fan base.

That’s literally his job.

It’s common practice in sports journalism.

I’m not sure why anyone gives his articles any more credibility than you would the Liverpool FC website, or the Echo.

Don’t get stressed about him - he’s just doing his job.
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Correct, and he takes his job very seriously. It's astonishing that in todays article, he manages to twist and manipulate every single paragraph into a negative. There's even an unflattering picture of Enzo Maresca with the title being:-

"Daily Mail Sport revealed the likes of Chelsea have been sympathetic to City, but others have feared for the balance of English football"

Note the "the likes of..." rather than "clubs such as..." which (to my mind) suggests that Chelsea shouldn't be taken seriously as they're dodgy too.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Herbert is nothing more than a client journalist - essentially an extension of Liverpool’s marketing department, whose role very simply is not nor has ever been to apply balance or provide accuracy in his ‘reporting’, but to deliver copium to Liverpool’s fan base.

That’s literally his job.

It’s common practice in sports journalism.

I’m not sure why anyone gives his articles any more credibility than you would the Liverpool FC website, or the Echo.

Don’t get stressed about him - he’s just doing his job.
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Yes just like Simon Stone is “employed” by BBC to report only on rags. Who do the BBC use (& the daily fail) to report solely on City I wonder???
 
the blue panther said:
All you need to do is point to Rashford's offside goal at the swamp, and the Palace goalie - Henderson - in the cup final. Case closed.
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It's not really though. Those are shite decisions. The united one is unfathomable.

The Cup Final one.... Isn't fair because if it had been our keeper they would have been off. That's the nature of a Cup Final where you have a clear favourite and an underdog who have never won anything before. There will have been a feeling that sending the keeper off will 'ruin' the day. I feel if it was Palace v Arsenal, the decision would have been the same. Not sure about if it were Liverpool or united though, and that does screw that point a bit....

But other teams have decisions against them that they think aren't right either. Fulham fans will (rightly) be fuming about their goal at Chelsea being disallowed.
 
TedofChume said:
FMV is basically a calculation based on similar transactions with a tolerance ie historic market value and possibly subsequent market value. However, the UEFA method and EPL method of calculating it are different, as they reveal different outcomes. Neither are disclosed so we really don't know what they consider.

FMV also exists in the private sector under competition law, and the way this is calculated appears to be more lenient yet rarely tested. So as a concept FMV is accepted.

You are right in saying it's bull***t and will never work fairly, but not necessarily for the reason given. The reason it is bull***t, like a lot of processes, is simply because it is not transparent, and seems to be made up as they go along.
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In fairness with the APT decision plus the PL rules, we know a lot about how FMV is assessed by the PL and the process.
 
cheekybids said:
I just chose a clear example which can’t be explained to back up the original argument.
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That doesn't back up the original argument. You took on a new argument.
Original argument was a City fan claiming we are shafted by refs every week and refereed differently. My counter was most football fans feel the same about their club. I know rag season ticket holders who walk away from games and think they have been done over!

Your only loose link to the original point would be we are reffed differently to United, potentially but again, every other clubs fans would probably say that
 
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