The Labour Government

Kirkstall Blue said:
I’m no big fan of the PM because of Gaza, Starmer won’t die on this particular hill unlike the conservatives who clung to power for weeks before acting, Johnson and Truss had to be dragged out the door.
Starmer has acted swiftly to quell the accusations and fired Rayner and Mandelson within days of finding out their true colours. So we move on to the next media storm.
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I think the issue now doing the rounds is how much Starmer knew before re Mandelson. Think that's going to be the problem for him.
 
mackenzie said:
I think the issue now doing the rounds is how much Starmer knew before re Mandelson. Think that's going to be the problem for him.
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Especially given he publicly backed him - like Rayner. I’m just not certain Starmer survives this, he’s certainly got a fight on his hands. The conference in a couple of weeks will be quite telling.
 
Jimmieblue said:
And another thing, running a business is a form of charity. It employs people, makes actual things to sell, rears things to sell, pays taxes. Business, in whatever form, has made the world go round for absolutely ages. It has ups and downs, profits and losses. The people who start and try to run a business give their whole self to employ other people who can then raise a nd educate a family. Starmer and his crew have done nothing like this. I would call them leeches, but that’s too kind.
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What did you call Johnson?


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metalblue said:
Especially given he publicly backed him - like Rayner. I’m just not certain Starmer survives this, he’s certainly got a fight on his hands. The conference in a couple of weeks will be quite telling.
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Yes, and as others have already posted over the last few weeks (months probably, after all it just seems to be one shit show after the other),he really needs to get a grip on everything. Or "anything" to be brutally honest.
I wanted him to be PM, I wanted him to do well but to be a good PM you have to possess a certain nous and be able to take the public with you in pursuit of what you want to achieve.
He is failing in both.
 
metalblue said:
Especially given he publicly backed him - like Rayner. I’m just not certain Starmer survives this, he’s certainly got a fight on his hands. The conference in a couple of weeks will be quite telling.
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O god we could all then get to witness the mass hypocrisy from both sides, when you will have right wingers demanding a general election and the left wingers saying you vote for your local MP not the leader. Where as the argument was flipped when the tories were in power during leadership changes.
 
If Starmer goes the favourites for next Labour leader are in order of Betfair Betting, Streeting, Burnham, Jones, Mahmood, Rayner, Cooper, Lammy, Reeves, Phillipson. Everyone else is 65/1 plus. Tories have all the usual names. Reform look to be in the position of the SNP once Sturgeon left, fucked. I've seen the new Greens leader interviewed, absolute tool. Lib Dems have Daisy Cooper nailed on to be their next leader.

There is no one in that lot who will get anywhere near uniting the country.
 
mackenzie said:
Yes, and as others have already posted over the last few weeks (months probably, after all it just seems to be one shit show after the other),he really needs to get a grip on everything. Or "anything" to be brutally honest.
I wanted him to be PM, I wanted him to do well but to be a good PM you have to possess a certain nous and be able to take the public with you in pursuit of what you want to achieve.
He is failing in both.
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Agreed. The political antenna of the Labour leadership and inability to sell a narrative is astonishingly bad. Too many unforced errors.
 
Palerider said:
If Starmer goes the favourites for next Labour leader are in order of Betfair Betting, Streeting, Burnham, Jones, Mahmood, Rayner, Cooper, Lammy, Reeves, Phillipson. Everyone else is 65/1 plus. Tories have all the usual names. Reform look to be in the position of the SNP once Sturgeon left, fucked. I've seen the new Greens leader interviewed, absolute tool. Lib Dems have Daisy Cooper nailed on to be their next leader.

There is no one in that lot who will get anywhere near uniting the country.
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You’re not inspiring me here :)
 
metalblue said:
Especially given he publicly backed him - like Rayner. I’m just not certain Starmer survives this, he’s certainly got a fight on his hands. The conference in a couple of weeks will be quite telling.
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Do you think he wants to survive it?

Watching him at PMQs yesterday he seemed to be going through the motions- he’d obviously placed himself in a terrible position, but it was difficult to detect any real conviction in what he was saying or indeed any real determination to stand up to what Badenoch was saying to him.

He’s rarely seen in the UK, he doesn’t appear keen to have any real domestic visibility and he only really appears to enjoy it when he’s out of the country working on matters that aren’t really party political.

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he walks at some point in the next few months.
 
Palerider said:
No, I was surprised myself when I looked at the lists how no one actually catches the imagination. Maybe it's time to try PR although much of Europe looks to be in the exact same mess using that system.
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It’s not just the system, it’s the quality of people.

I don’t have much issue with the general direction Labour are going in, although their tendency to over react to events and rush out some garbled reactionary nonsense gets on my tits, but do try and inject some coherent narrative into what you are doing and sell it to the public. That would be nice. That and stop tripping over your dicks every five fucking minutes would be even better.

I get that it’s tough, what with the economy, channel crossings, Trump trying to wreck world trade and a slowly escalating war in Europe etc, but that’s what Labour signed up for, so buckle down and get on with it.
 
hampshireblue said:
No. You gave a list of collateral damage all supposedly as a result of keeping Trump onside. I merely pointed out that your list was already in play well before they became collateral as you put it. Yes, decisions on stuff may have been delayed but frankly I'd rather they get them right and take some time to do so. The country was subjected to the "boiling frog" analogy for 14 years. It takes more than 14 months to get it sorted properly.

I'm all for calling things out, but imagine the fall out if, say, we openly accuse Israel of genocide(even if that's what many at higher levels believe it to be). Both the domestic and international fall out would be massive. Now if we were still part of a Union where 28 countries came out and said that, well maybe that would work, but we're not and unfortunately much of the future for the UK now depends on us forging alliances with less than savoury regimes.
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It wasn't a list of keeping Trump onside so I didn't read the rest, it's just another fuck up by a bland, politically unaware status quo wanker. He has had plenty in his first year hence the list.
Some are claiming he has done well, they are liars, they know it and so do the rest of us but you know face saving. It's frankly pathetic.

I don't expect perfection or even inspiring but my line not to cross is employing 'friends' of sexual abusers and being a coward to genocidal maniacs. And that's only 2 points against this morally absent arsehole.
 
At which point does Starmer's position come under threat? He's presided over calamity after calamity. I know myself that if this was a Tory PM I'd be jumping up and down wanting him out
 
Dazzle84 said:
At which point does Starmer's position come under threat? He's presided over calamity after calamity. I know myself that if this was a Tory PM I'd be jumping up and down wanting him out
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Until he opens a VIP lane and diddles £38B from the public purse or attempts to crash the economy like Truss, I’ll stick with him. Thanks.
 
Norbert D said:
Are you saying Mandelson, an openly gay man, was also involved with under age girls? Is that plausible? What could Starmer know?
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No, merely surmising that M remained very close to E even after his earlier conviction, and that Starmer knew this.

Even if Starmer didn't, it's impossible to prove. I think those who have a horse in this race know that which is why they smell blood.
 
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Dazzle84 said:
At which point does Starmer's position come under threat? He's presided over calamity after calamity. I know myself that if this was a Tory PM I'd be jumping up and down wanting him out
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I can't even begin to imagine how you'd describe the previous 14 years!
 
Palerider said:
No, I was surprised myself when I looked at the lists how no one actually catches the imagination. Maybe it's time to try PR although much of Europe looks to be in the exact same mess using that system.
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Yeah after decades of manufacturing nationalised services, no shit in the rivers, better healthcare, higher pensions I'm surprised they haven't rushed to take up FPTP and become little USA.

Large majority with 18% of the votes and a party with 18 Yr olds running a council is the dream :-)
 
Hasn't been a good 24hrs for him, has it? Welcoming a genocidal head of state into his office and his meek dismissal of a known associate of a sex criminal. Needs a massive turnaround or he's finished.

Wouldn't mind seeing Burnham take the helm.
 
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