As I’ve said before, we don’t call him Kaveh Fuckwit for nothing.Anybody else believe Kaveh when he said there is no suggestion Hazard or Willian and others knew anything about the off the book payments made by Chelsea so cannot be implacated in any wrongdoing. You know, the bribes paid to their family members and agents. No of course not Kaveh you utter dick.
You have to wonder through how this stayed hidden for the time period for all allegations. Accounts kept getting signed off, HMRC returns submitted. More then one person know surely?
One forced purchase and a new set of accountants spot the issues immediately, realise this cannot be accounting errors and the no doubt high priced legal advice is throw your hands up and admit as we cannot sign off on the books as they are.
Forget the FA and the PL, if it's paying agents to avoid paying HMRC its tax evasion. Fraud squad to get involved? 2012 accounts:
Page 4 notes the auditor, it's one of the big 4, cannot have got it so wrong surely over such a long period? Holding companies, off the books payments, shell corporations? What on earth did Clearlake et all find when they opened up the books that warranted this course of action?
Payments/ Benefits in football paid outside( illegal) of a contract aren’t unusual . What’s unusual with Chelseas case isn’t that money has not gone through the books as it were but that there was an trail within the clubs records.A whistleblower, a careless conversation, maybe a PL friendly future buyer of the club having access to their books, who knows, but it can happen and if they’ve deemed it obvious enough to declare then clearly it’s not the same as our situation where we say we haven’t made any errors, certainly something not visible purely by “due diligence”. I would say Chelsea were worried it could get discovered eventually otherwise why come clean? And doing that is admirable but cannot totally absolve the advantage the club got from not complying.
Even if FFP/PSR submissions had not breached the thresholds it would still be false reporting under FA & PL regulations.Payments/ Benefits in football paid outside( illegal) of a contract aren’t unusual . What’s unusual with Chelseas case isn’t that money has not gone through the books as it were but that there was an trail within the clubs records.
Keeping core accounting information is one thing , and now I am only guessing, the details are within documents that mentions these additional payments and then those payments simply don’t appear anywhere in terms of payments made via club accounts.
The deep dive clearly was far more detailed than the annual audits and the scale of the charges clearly reveals that this wasn’t a one off.
The reports now seem to suggest that BlueCo have revisited all the submitted accounts and FFP/PSR submissions and even had these payments been properly recorded the thresholds or limits if you like would not have been an issue. (Find that hard to believe but time will tell on that one)
If all that’s correct you then have to question why were these payments weren’t put through the books.
Funding them wouldn’t have been an issue so it comes down to the recipients getting monies without the correct levels of tax being applied. It seems that the club and HMRC have already agreed a settlement.
As I said yesterday I found the clubs statement too gushing. Why thank the FA for instance ? And why leak that the club isn’t expecting a meaningful, if any sporting sanction ?
I do wonder if the process from charge to sanction has already been mapped out with the key part being the expectation that the IC will in effect rubber stamp the FAs recommendations.
The third group of charges around third party is interesting and perhaps key to all this in that the acknowledgment is that all the monies were paid by RAs companies by pointing the finger to a banned individual it’s likely that the FA acknowledge where the bulk of the blame lies yet there has to be a finding of guilt against the club simply due to the entity running the club hasn’t changed.
I find it amusing scouring through the “big six” that this does not get much attention. There is a 3-4 pages of comments on the matter. Half of the posts spend more time talking about City than Chelsea.
I have been running things through my mind re the accounts and I am not sure about them being fraudulent simply because the club neither funded nor paid these sums nor was there it appears any contract or obligation for them to make to a third party/ parties funded and possibly accounted for these payments which under football rules simply isn’t allowedWas going to post something similar.
Is this worst then any of our charges ?
Off the book payments, ment Chelsea signed players to improve them by illegal methods. That is a sporting advantage.
Don't these charges imply fraud by Chelsea as their accounts were incorrect ?
Chelsea mislead the fa, pl and their accountants unless the accountants are complicit in this fraud.
Is it just me but these seem really serious fraud to me. Yet I dont intentionally follow the press/media but very litte has cropped up on my news apps about this.
City stuff pops up daily
Solhekol does have a link to someone at Chelsea but the journalist that’s far closer is Matt Law and it’s him that I believe first talked about a financial sanction and the Athletic I believe likewise have a “ club source”Even if FFP/PSR submissions had not breached the thresholds it would still be false reporting under FA & PL regulations.
Not aimed at you but why are people stating that something that (seemingly?) only Kaveh Solhekol seems to be saying is a "leak" and therefore taking it as gospel? All other media that I've seen is pretty much just quoting him word for word.
Solhekol usually appears to get his information from the tea boy as he passes him in the corridor. Is he suddenly ITK?
According to ChaGPT "The charges are about “FA Football Agents Regulations, Working with Intermediaries and Third Party Investment in Players Regulations” which are specifically FA rules."I have been running things through my mind re the accounts and I am not sure about them being fraudulent simply because the club neither funded nor paid these sums nor was there it appears any contract or obligation for them to make to a third party/ parties funded and possibly accounted for these payments which under football rules simply isn’t allowed
Chelsea problem is that players , some family members and indeed agents were paid by a.n.other. and as I said in my earlier post it’s football governing bodies rules that don’t allow such payments meaning submissions around FFP/PSR weren’t correct and as we know UEFA got their hands on circa £10 m and likely HMRC have received a similar sum.
I believe it’s inevitable that the PL will be close to finalising their investigation and again as I pointed out some while ago that huge chuck of £100+ million that was held back during the sale will be looked at enviously by first the FA and now of course the PL who no doubt would welcome a cash boost that if they don’t get their hands on it will find its way outside football.
Put all that together and I believe the whole case against Chelsea will be dealt with sooner rather than later and certainly before your case is resolved
On that matter what intrigues me is why the FA has charged us at this point as opposed to the PL and then the FA and following that line will the FA want their day in the sun down the line re City?
More twists and turns no doubt yet to follow!
indeed that’s correct in terms of the whose rules cover what but my point is, and it’s something I haven’t quite got an understanding of, is around the PLs claims around 3rd party investment.According to ChaGPT "The charges are about “FA Football Agents Regulations, Working with Intermediaries and Third Party Investment in Players Regulations” which are specifically FA rules."
I'm not sure ours cover the same regulations although there is overlap between all governing parties.
Work away alot so some one always comes out with how long have I been a blue to my reply 2010 I used to be Chelsea fanLots of us ex Chelsea fans on here ;)
Arent payments to agents represented in the club accounts tho and if proven that other payments have been made to agents and third parties then surely the accounts presented to the PL would be false which is exactly what they are after us for.indeed that’s correct in terms of the whose rules cover what but my point is, and it’s something I haven’t quite got an understanding of, is around the PLs claims around 3rd party investment.
If for instance the PLs claim around say Mancini is proven then funding of his contract came from a 3rd party which as you say is the FAs area.similarly if the image rights issue is proven was that another 3rd party issue.
Your matters aren’t so much amount non contracted payments being made the vast bulk of the allegations aren’t the same but if and of a course it’s a big if they get proven then will the FA look as to what that means in terms of their areas of responsibility?
Litigious motherfuckers...Football is a fucking mess thanks to the American cartel
Oh they don't want to do any work! Just pick up their free tickets, be wined and dined, and pontificate to the rest.All the shit is being aimed at Chelsea. How about the PL and FA do something positive.
All people involved, football agents especially, should be investigated and if found liable, banned for life from doing deals in this country.
I suppose that's too much like hard hard work for the wankers.