Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Should his death alter your opinion of him? Absolutely not.

It has, but only in the sense that I was pretty indifferent to him before he died.

I am no longer indifferent to him.

 

[Giovinco]

He's apologised and walked back his original comments. Whether you choose to believe he means them is entirely up to you.

The fact that a person like that is the head of the Oxford union pretty much sums it up,

 

[M18CTID]

Yeh, he was more heartbroken it was someone from his own state. Which is understandable.

That’s the impression I got too

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I’m going to get pelters for this from some quarters, but I’ve got very broad shoulders.

Have had a look at this guy online in a way that I hadn’t previously. I sort of knew what he was about before this, but he’d hardly registered.

And for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying it’s a good thing he’s dead, or that anyone deserves to die in that way, especially with their wife and kids there. Awful business all round. And this tragedy is acting as a further catalyst to the manifest and worsening divisions in US society. So unquestionably a bad thing.

But in my view, having seen him in action, he was a horrible ****. Plainly fed from negativity. Most of what came out of his mouth was designed to make the world a less happy place. And I’d say he was definitely a bully.

He was young, fit, rich, healthy with a beautiful family and a wife that adored him.

And all the **** did was moan and winge about how shit everything was. He had fuck all to complain about from where I’m standing.

Unless it was just an act…

Think your last sentence pretty much sums it up. Had he stood by his original principles when he founded TP I might argue otherwise, though I’d have vehemently disagreed with his proffered beliefs and tactics. But once he went from disdain for Trump to errand boy for Trump Jr and became a mere parrot for a cult, and got influence for doing so, it became performative.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

It's this that I keep coming back to when I think about what's happened. And you can bet your life that families affected by school shootings will have heard him say this.

Like most things he said, he said them for effect, for shock value, knowing he could get away with it with the MAGA crowd.

He made a living from being provocative and raising money for provocateurs.

There are people worthy of our love, respect, and benevolent thoughts killed every day. He wasn’t one of them.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Think your last sentence pretty much sums it up. Had he stood by his original principles when he founded TP I might argue otherwise, though I’d have vehemently disagreed with his proffered beliefs and tactics. But once he went from disdain for Trump to errand boy for Trump Jr and became a mere parrot for a cult, and got influence for doing so, it became performative.

Performative and malign is an egregious cocktail.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Think your last sentence pretty much sums it up. Had he stood by his original principles when he founded TP I might argue otherwise, though I’d have vehemently disagreed with his proffered beliefs and tactics. But once he went from disdain for Trump to errand boy for Trump Jr and became a mere parrot for a cult, and got influence for doing so, it became performative.

Ding Ding Ding!!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The irony in all of this is that 2A was written to ensure restless natives could quash any authoritarian government curtailing their rightful freedoms. “Stop the tyrannical government! Don’t tread on me!!!”

Sounds like guy used the gun as intended, albeit on a surrogate of the Tyrant in question.

I’m doubting many will see it that way, but then that’s how things are these days in Murica!

 

[Blue and true]

Like most things he said, he said them for effect, for shock value, knowing he could get away with it with the MAGA crowd.

He made a living from being provocative and raising money for provocateurs.

There are people worthy of our love, respect, and benevolent thoughts killed every day. He wasn’t one of them.

And that's the truly tragic thing. I doubt he himself believed half the stuff he came out with. It was monetised rage-baiting, he traded this to become low hanging fruit for a scumbag taking full advantage of 2A. And now a wife and two children are bereft of a father who I don't doubt was an entirely different person behind closed doors.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

If people are going to move on from this positively we need to log/sort everyone who tried to stir this up and incite violence/war before the shooter was even identified. Start at the top. Start with this ****



'Fight or die' he says to his 200 million plus followers. The damage that does to normal people isn't of concern to him tweeting shit from his island or mansion. Ive had 'conversations' with friends over this. But here we are

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And that's the truly tragic thing. I doubt he himself believed half the stuff he came out with. It was monetised rage-baiting, he traded this to become low hanging fruit for a scumbag taking full advantage of 2A. And now a wife and two children are bereft of a father who I don't doubt was an entirely different person behind closed doors.

I would say it’s more likely than not that he was a good dad.

 

[SamTheGuru]

Regardless of what he stood for, it seemed to me like he thrived off of winding up teens. It was only a matter of time before some slightly mentally unstable person got hold of a freely available firearm and shot him.

 

[i kne albert davy]

:-)

Humor! Excellent. Hard to find in here today!

You should keep out of the joke thread then, PS. its humour stop fucking about with the English language :-)

 

[PepsFleece]

“Debate,” you say? He was a blowhard with a megaphone spouting lies, misinformation and platitudes, much of it racist.

It’s like saying “Hitler was a great speaker!” while hating the speech! Their views had much in common.

Crikey. Think a round of therapy would be beneficial to you.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It would be a brave judge (assuming they were the arbiter, it might be the jury in Utah) who didn’t make that finding after a conviction.

Presumably this has to be a State trial?

can't help you there, I'm afraid.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

can't help you there, I'm afraid.

I assume a terrorist motive would make it a Federal crime.

 

[PepsFleece]

Regardless of what he stood for, it seemed to me like he thrived off of winding up teens. It was only a matter of time before some slightly mentally unstable person got hold of a freely available firearm and shot him.

I think this pretty much sums it up.

 

[SWP's back]

I've seen reports he was wearing a bulletproof vest and it deflected upwards from that, personally I thought it was a direct hit from the video but I'm not a ballistics expert.

You can clearly see Kirk’s nipples in a lot of the videos of the debate. He wasn’t wearing a bullet proof vest.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

You can clearly see Kirk’s nipples in a lot of the videos of the debate.

Pervert.

 

[SWP's back]

He has a vest on you can see the outline under his T-shirt, i suspect shot through the neck and then bullets splinter that’s why you see blood come from a hole in his chest.

No, he does not.