The Rise of the Far Right

Paul1970 said:
They are probably decent people who are fucking fed up with this country being turned to shit. Not everyone is racist and stupid because they want change .
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I didn't suggest they were all racist or stupid. I wouldnt have asked for a percentage if that was my claim.

Of course not everybody there is racist and/or thick as mince but the vast majority who are racist and/or thick as mince, seem to share these views.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
I've just switched on the live coverage of this (a site called Hook Global) lots of drone shots. Ive done this because Im frankly sick of the spin/media bollocks and needed to see for myself.
This is honestly the biggest march I've seen. The figure of 110,000 is clearly wrong -I'd guess more than I million - easily. People comforting themselves that it's just like any other protest march etc or 'far right" are just putting their heads in the sand. Looking at the punters there its a mix of ages, Im sure there are far right elements there without a doubt, but the Government had better start listening and get their act together or they'll fall. Already reports of Burnham plotting to oust Starmer - so it's sinking in !
Those who disagree with me should just take a look for themselves. Quite a few women, families too. No real shots of the counter-protest - bar one which showed a couple of hundred people with the Socialist Worker placards. Numbers reported at 5000. I'm no Tommy Robinson fan by the way, far from it.
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I don't think it is all far right, the organisers and funders certainly are, but nany are just normal people seduced by a goid media campaign.

But what are they marching for? I mean what are the governnent not doing that they are protesting? I don't undersrand this take our country back bit, from who exactly

If it's immigration, something you cannot fix in 12 months as a new government then what exactly is the aim of the organisers? and can anyone there actually quote the policy labour is bringing in to solve the problem or are aware of the new deal with france?

I am no fan of this government, but if anything any person who has an issue with them should be protesting the new wellfare changes, winter fuel payments and the crackdown on civil liberties, not an issue they are setting actions in place that will take at least 2 years to garner results, as any sensible journalist should be reporting rather than fan the flames.
 
Pedestrian said:
Aye. Far too many imo but defo not 500.000. The met are saying 110,000.
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I have a mate who is an Addicks fan. He went to the game today and has just got back to his daughters flat in Surbiton - a somewhat more protracted journey than usual due to TFL strikes so its been a series of buses and he has barely seen any of them so the claimed 3m - 5m people are presumably having a massive game of hide and seek.

He gets off the bus next to the station and he usually call in the Wetherspoons next door for a pint but not today as its packed with them and its a bit boisterous in there. The doorman said unless he was with the marchers he'd advise not going in as it looks like there will be trouble.
 
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Give a fucking rest. Some of these posts calling everyone Racist & Nazi’s at these marches.

If there’s not enough take the piss, too many it doesnt make them right!

If every other group can march, why can’t these?
The only problem i can see is when the football finishes and thousands of firms decide to go down after being on the piss all day

It will all be over in a few hours then you can get back to crying over flags on lamposts again

Look at these 2 Gammon Knuckle draggers
Racist bigots
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It will all be forgotten tomorrow.

Just put the West Ham game on, chill and don’t let it all get to you.

Will await the next march in a few months from another group of people who arent happy (which will be us if we get smashed 0-5 tomorrow) ;-)
 
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Big Joe Corrigan said:
Who is overrunning the country?
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its just the easily led deploying the language that he hears - "invasion" and "overrun" and wanting to believe that rather than look things up.

Was watching SKY news earlier and a lad of about 20 (sounded like a Manc sadly) being interviewed he was of the opinion that it was all fighting aged men and men only and "they" were secretly assembling an army. The reporter said "on Wednesday a woman and two children died making a small boat crossing" and that shut him the fuck up
 
Fordyboy46 said:
500,000 marching in London today, all far right obviously even the young kids and grandparents. Evil nazis!
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As the bestselling Yale philosopher Jason Stanley has observed, the normalization of far-right ideology would, by definition, make charges of being far-right seem like an overreaction, even in societies that were transforming along those worrisome lines.

And our society, like many others, does seem to be undergoing a transformation of this kind.

So what’s to be done?

First of all, I’m not sure that labelling all those attending as far-right is going to be helpful, however apt that descriptor may be. Recalling Clinton’s ‘basket of deplorables’ declaration, saddling people with this label could prove counterproductive.

So the approach I would favour is this one:

www.theguardian.com

How to tackle the EDL | Mohamed El-Gomati

Mohamed El-Gomati: Those wondering how to respond to English Defence League marches this weekend can look to the example of tea and non-confrontation we set at York mosque
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

See also here:

www.theforgivenessproject.com

Ivan Humble - The Forgiveness Project

In 2009, single father Ivan Humble joined the English Defence League (EDL), a far-right and Islamophobic organisation. Today he is an anti-hate campaigner working with groups all over the UK to tackle radicalisation and extremism.
www.theforgivenessproject.com www.theforgivenessproject.com

Of course, this won’t work with morally repellent types like Yaxley-Lennon, Laurence Fox, Mahyar Tousi, Paul Golding et al.

Their existence is entirely predicated on perpetuating division and strife.

But Sarfraz Manzoor’s wonderful study They: What Muslims and Non-Muslims Get Wrong About Each Other catalogues lots of similar examples to the ones I have linked to above.

That’s all I can think of in addition to contesting the warped and distorted perceptions of Muslims (and asylum seekers) that are promoted by the aforementioned Gang of Four, GB News, TalkTV, and populists like, say, Lowe and Habib.
 
urban genie said:
Dicks like him. and tgat knobhead Paul Mason today are furling them though.

Flags go up on a lamp post and they have done nothing to intimidate or deter local multicultural communities, in fact they are generally being ignored, ripping them down just goes them something to claim.

Those cunts painting st georgea on public and private buildings and infrastructure also the wankers who deface shops or houses though do need a kick in the bollocks
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How do you know "local multicultural communities" are not intimidated?
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Look at these 2 Gammon Knuckle draggers
Racist bigots
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As Cas Mudde points out in the study depicted below, it is entirely possible to belong to a far-right party or movement whilst not being part of the majority ethnic/religious group in a given country. See, for example, Guramit Singh Kalirai (EDL), Enrique Tarrio (Proud Boys), and Tomio Okamura (leader of the Czech SPD).

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ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
As the bestselling Yale philosopher Jason Stanley has observed, the normalization of far-right ideology would, by definition, make charges of being far-right seem like an overreaction, even in societies that were transforming along those worrisome lines.

And our society, like many others, does seem to be undergoing a transformation of this kind.

So what’s to be done?

First of all, I’m not sure that labelling all those attending as far-right is going to be helpful, however apt that descriptor may be. Recalling Clinton’s ‘basket of deplorables’ declaration, saddling people with this label could prove counterproductive.

So the approach I would favour is this one:

www.theguardian.com

How to tackle the EDL | Mohamed El-Gomati

Mohamed El-Gomati: Those wondering how to respond to English Defence League marches this weekend can look to the example of tea and non-confrontation we set at York mosque
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

See also here:

www.theforgivenessproject.com

Ivan Humble - The Forgiveness Project

In 2009, single father Ivan Humble joined the English Defence League (EDL), a far-right and Islamophobic organisation. Today he is an anti-hate campaigner working with groups all over the UK to tackle radicalisation and extremism.
www.theforgivenessproject.com www.theforgivenessproject.com

Of course, this won’t work with morally repellent types like Yaxley-Lennon, Laurence Fox, Mahyar Tousi, Paul Golding et al.

Their existence is entirely predicated on perpetuating division and strife.

But Sarfraz Manzoor’s wonderful study They: What Muslims and Non-Muslims Get Wrong About Each Other catalogues lots of similar examples to the ones I have linked to above.

That’s all I can think of in addition to contesting the warped and distorted perceptions of Muslims (and asylum seekers) that are promoted by the aforementioned Gang of Four, GB News, TalkTV, and populists like, say, Lowe and Habib.
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All a bit beside the point.

The point being...

You're not dealing with the EDL.
 
Blue and true said:
What a stain. I made the mistake of pressing play. This is why I'm scared to have children. The idea of them turning into something like this mess, it terrifies me.
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you should be more concerned about them having to grow up in a country/world full of hatred and prejudice
 
The SWP haven't changed their banner design in 50 years....

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Or the message it would seem.
 
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