The Rise of the Far Right

The perfect fumble said:
They want an end to multiculturalism, they want the indigenous population recognised as such and they want the primacy of mainstream British culture acknowledged.

You see, it's not complicated at all.
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Sounds extremely complicated. For starters what is ‘mainstream British culture’?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
That may or may not be true but what is undeniable, is the vast majority of people protesting would see absolutely no change to their lives, whatsoever, if all the ‘foreigners’ were somehow thrown out of the country tomorrow.
The idea that everyone would ‘have a GP’, school class sizes would be 20, there’d be no NHS waiting lists, there would be tax cuts, better services and no homeless people because ‘we’d be putting our own first’ is, sadly, for the birds and the charlatans selling that nonsense are the exact same people who said all our problems were because we were in the EU.
I say ‘exact same people’ but, of course they’re all considerably wealthier than they were 9 years ago and my contempt is far greater for them than the vast majority of people on the march.
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This isn't about fighting over resources, it isn't primarily about racism, or xenophobia, or Islamophobia.

Why is it that progressives are so wedded to their "isms" that they're incapable of seeing what my dad use to call "the bleeding obvious".
 
urban genie said:
This is all very depressing, our nation is heading down a dark path.

Time to opt out of the subject for the night switch on netflix or something else have a beer and worry about beating the rags
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urban genie said:
This is all very depressing, our nation is heading down a dark path.

Time to opt out of the subject for the night switch on netflix or something else have a beer and worry about beating the rags
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I keep my politics time down to the minimum at the moment and stay away from the majority of the news that I cannot stand, like Trump, Farage, or anybody who is using divisive language.

Pop on here for a quick update and then zone out again until I come back for a quick fix. Feel much better for it.
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
As Cas Mudde points out in the study depicted below, it is entirely possible to belong to a far-right party or movement whilst not being part of the majority ethnic/religious group in a given country. See, for example, Guramit Singh Kalirai (EDL), Enrique Tarrio (Proud Boys), and Tomio Okamura (leader of the Czech SPD).

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In any case, I think one of the blokes in his pic works for Tommy Two Names and is therefore part of the grift rather than a random attendee
 
I'm With Stupid said:
What form would that recognition take?
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I posted this a couple of days ago....

The perfect fumble said:
No, they are anti what they perceive immigration has become, a threat not just for resources, houses and whatnot, but an existential threat to the country they think they live in and consequently their own identity. There are racists that are exploiting this and fanning those fears, let's state that from the get go, but they've never had this level of traction before and that traction comes from a mass rejection of multiculturalism.

What these flags represent is a political statement that states in no uncertain terms that there's an indigenous population in this country, that there is an over arching culture and those that choose to live here must recognise that fact. That citizenship brings with it benefits yes, but it also brings obligations and those obligations should include a commitment to integrate into the prevailing culture and to learn English. Cultural identities are sacrosanct but only insofar as they comply with the laws of the land.

Cultural festivals, religious worship, have at it, great, we're a free country, but that country is Britain and it's more than just a land mass. No more "diversity is our strength", it's not, it's a lie and people know it. More unity is our strength and that must come with a new social contract between the people and the state based on honesty and the pursuit of common purpose. Less all cultures are equal, they're not and certainly not in a country with an over arching culture like ours, less DEI and more "When in Rome".

If "progressive" folk in here don't like it, fine, do nothing and see how that works out, as I stated earlier if reasonable people's reasonable demands are not addressed reasonably they end up being addressed unreasonably.
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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
That may or may not be true but what is undeniable, is the vast majority of people protesting would see absolutely no change to their lives, whatsoever, if all the ‘foreigners’ were somehow thrown out of the country tomorrow.
The idea that everyone would ‘have a GP’, school class sizes would be 20, there’d be no NHS waiting lists, there would be tax cuts, better services and no homeless people because ‘we’d be putting our own first’ is, sadly, for the birds and the charlatans selling that nonsense are the exact same people who said all our problems were because we were in the EU.
I say ‘exact same people’ but, of course they’re all considerably wealthier than they were 9 years ago and my contempt is far greater for them than the vast majority of people on the march.
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I think that if all the 'foreigners' were somehow thrown out of the country tomorrow then the majority of people protesting would see a massive change to their lives. There would be fewer GPs, teachers and nurses. There'd be longer NHS waiting lists, larger class sizes and reduced services.....
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I dunno, that's kind of the Home Office's job. There's nothing far right about saying illegal immigrants are expected to go home. But as I mentioned, I think far right is defined by parties who make that their overwhelming or only focus. Certainly late-stage Tories of the last government were flirting with far-right rhetoric (certain members doing more than just flirting with it), but that was more because they've fucked up every other issue and had nothing left to turn to.
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There is some truth in what you say, but contrary to popular opinion, though many far right ideologies are racist in nature, not all far right parties have racism at their core, though few can resist the temptation to use it if it helps get the job done.
 
The perfect fumble said:
I posted this a couple of days ago....
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It seems pretty wishy-washy mate. What exact things are you imagining? Something in schools? More festivals celebrating Britishness? Policies that favour people born in the UK (which policies?). Lessons in Britishness for new immigrants? Dare I say, more flags flying?

I mean there's this idea of some sort of forced integration (maybe forced is too strong), but everyone on my parents street is white and born within a few miles, and it's not as if any of them really 'integrate' with each other or are part of a community beyond a polite nod. If a Pakistani couple moved in and barely spoke to anyone, how would that be any different to anyone else who lived there?
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It seems pretty wishy-washy mate. What exact things are you imagining? Something in schools? More festivals celebrating Britishness? Policies that favour people born in the UK (which policies?). Lessons in Britishness for new immigrants? Dare I say, more flags flying?

I mean there's this idea of some sort of forced integration (maybe forced is too strong), but everyone on my parents street is white and born within a few miles, and it's not as if any of them really 'integrate' with each other or are part of a community beyond a polite nod. If a Pakistani couple moved in and barely spoke to anyone, how would that be any different to anyone else who lived there?
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I must remember to call you when I want any water muddied or point missed.
 
BobKowalski said:
Sounds extremely complicated. For starters what is ‘mainstream British culture’?
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No idea, was more confused by how you would possibly end multi multiculturalism in a country were it’s become pretty much ingrained over 60 years, or why anyone would want to.
Think he just lives in a theoretical, pseudo intellectual world, most of the time I have no idea what he’s rambling on about.
 
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