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Bluesince1979 said:
You dont have to counter it. Point is that was the last straw. Hes fed up. He felt starmer showed a huge lack of judgement giving a paedo pal a huge job.
He wants him out.

Thats it really.
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Right but in doing so, he led his support to a Robinson march to make that happen, of course that has to be countered.

If people are willing to do that just to get Starmer out, not even that they have strong opinions on immigration and the state of the country, then that’s worrying for everyone.
 
west didsblue said:
Obviously I think I’m right or I wouldn’t express that opinion. It’s not fucking rocket science.
You obviously think you’re right as well but I think you’re just making excuses for people supporting absolute cunts.
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meltonblue said:
Reopened. Robinsons opinion hasn’t really changed at all since he was in the EDL.
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He has an opinion, which right or wrong morally deserves to be heard on an equal platform to other opinions. Debate cannot be shut down.
If you are happy that your rights as a citizen of this country are not being systematically eroded, then good, I’m happy for you. A great many citizens however are not feeling that way and they are feeling hogtied by various powers to do anything about it apart from take to the streets. Surely you understand that and don’t have to resort to calling them illiterate c..ts.
 
west didsblue said:
My opinion is based on what I’ve read and seen of the opinions and actions of the organiser and his chosen speakers. Of course I could be wrong and they could all be lovely people who want the best for all all of us. Not seen any evidence of that though.
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Ok
 
Don Karleone said:



Anyone still buying this rubbish?
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@west didsblue is still buying it. But then again he’d believe pretty much anything.

Starmer’s admitted that he lied about not knowing about the new Epstein messages, but he’s still lying about not knowing the contents of them before he went to PMQs and gave a stout defence of Mandelson.

It’s all so convincing, isn’t it?

As a PM you are told that very significant new emails have been unearthed between Epstein and Mandelson that are about to be published by a major UK newspaper, and your first instinct is not to ask what they contain, but to ask if someone could send Mandelson an email to see if he wants to admit to their authenticity. And when Mandelson doesn’t reply, you don’t think about possibly giving the bloke a call, you just go to the Commons and defend Mandelson, even though you don’t know what’s in the emails.

Sounds perfectly reasonable and totally believable.
 
Jimmieblue said:
He has an opinion, which right or wrong morally deserves to be heard on an equal platform to other opinions. Debate cannot be shut down.
If you are happy that your rights as a citizen of this country are not being systematically eroded, then good, I’m happy for you. A great many citizens however are not feeling that way and they are feeling hogtied by various powers to do anything about it apart from take to the streets. Surely you understand that and don’t have to resort to calling them illiterate c..ts.
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Not sure you meant to tag me into that, all I said was Robinsons argument is the exact same as it was when he was in the EDL.

I’m not sure what we’re debating now though, is it that rights as a citizen have been eroded? As I didn’t know even Robinson was making that point. Which rights?
 
Jimmieblue said:
He has an opinion, which right or wrong morally deserves to be heard on an equal platform to other opinions. Debate cannot be shut down.
If you are happy that your rights as a citizen of this country are not being systematically eroded, then good, I’m happy for you. A great many citizens however are not feeling that way and they are feeling hogtied by various powers to do anything about it apart from take to the streets. Surely you understand that and don’t have to resort to calling them illiterate c..ts.
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I think you’re confusing the right of people to be pissed off with the current government with people lending their support to a bunch of cunts.
And nobody has shut any debate so no need to make up shit.
 
Brewster's millions said:
@west didsblue is still buying it. But then again he’d believe pretty much anything.

Starmer’s admitted that he lied about not knowing about the new Epstein messages, but he’s still lying about not knowing the contents of them before he went to PMQs and gave a stout defence of Mandelson.

It’s all so convincing, isn’t it?

As a PM you are told that very significant new emails have been unearthed between Epstein and Mandelson that are about to be published by a major UK newspaper, and your first instinct is not to ask what they contain, but to ask if someone could send Mandelson an email to see if he wants to admit to their authenticity. And when Mandelson doesn’t reply, you don’t think about possibly giving the bloke a call, you just go to the Commons and defend Mandelson, even though you don’t know what’s in the emails.

Sounds perfectly reasonable and totally believable.
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You seem a bit obsessed with me.
Let it go.
 
west didsblue said:
I think you’re confusing the right of people to be pissed off with the current government with people lending their support to a bunch of cunts.
And nobody has shut any debate so no need to make up shit.
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You mentioned Robinson and EDL links, even he has a right to speak and be heard even if you don’t agree with anything he stands for. The vast majority of people joining the march were doing so because they felt disenfranchised in their own country. Now you can only blame the current government.
west didsblue said:
I think you’re confusing the right of people to be pissed off with the current government with people lending their support to a bunch of cunts.
And nobody has shut any debate so no need to make up shit.
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i don’t believe they were marching in support of the the people you refer to. I don’t believe you are reading the mood of ordinary people.
 
Jimmieblue said:
i don’t believe they were marching in support of the the people you refer to. I don’t believe you are reading the mood of ordinary people.
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That’s odd.
The people I was referring to organised and spoke at it.
It would be like going to sit in the Stretford End and pretend you’re not a rag. Always possible but why put yourself through it.
 
Jimmieblue said:
You mentioned Robinson and EDL links, even he has a right to speak and be heard even if you don’t agree with anything he stands for. The vast majority of people joining the march were doing so because they felt disenfranchised in their own country. Now you can only blame the current government.

i don’t believe they were marching in support of the the people you refer to. I don’t believe you are reading the mood of ordinary people.
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I’ll reiterate, I’m not sure this can be countered. People are only blaming the current government for feeling disenfranchised with their country?
 
Jimmieblue said:
The vast majority of people joining the march were doing so because they felt disenfranchised in their own country. Now you can only blame the current government.
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I'm not gonna get into the blame game here, but how can it only lie at the feet of the current govt? Was there not 14 years of another shit show before the current shit show?
 
ballbag said:
I'm not gonna get into the blame game here, but how can it only lie at the feet of the current govt? Was there not 14 years of another shit show before the current shit show?
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Quite agree, and probably the one before, nothing been the same since Iraq War. We need another system they are all incompetent, and I mean all. So disappointed I have no faith in any and I’m willing to listen to someone who has answers.
 
Deary me

Our Keith is residing over a party of sleaze isnt he

All that fake shock and disgust at the Tory shit show then Keiths scumbags roll into town
 
Maybe they should call a snap election. There's no way Reform can get a coherent manifesto together in 6 weeks. Farage has already admitted they have little/no experience of governing. If Reform do get in, the sooner they fuck it up and we get rid of him and his grifters for good. Tories are dead too.
 
Jimmieblue said:
You mentioned Robinson and EDL links, even he has a right to speak and be heard even if you don’t agree with anything he stands for. The vast majority of people joining the march were doing so because they felt disenfranchised in their own country. Now you can only blame the current government.

i don’t believe they were marching in support of the the people you refer to. I don’t believe you are reading the mood of ordinary people.
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Don't we live in a democracy? What is stopping people from voting for change in an election? If that fails then why can't they just accept that this clearly isn't the view of most people?

There's a reason why they attack our institutions, police and judiciary whilst claiming they're fighting for democracy and law. There's a reason why they speak freely despite the irony of their claim that they can't speak freely.

What they want isn't democracy or an ordered change implemented as government. They really want a violent insurrection or authoritarian boot which acts beyond the rule of law to attack minorities, impose their misinformed version of British eugenics and eliminate any opposition or people they hate. Western Europe has seen this before.....
 
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