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[Kompany Car]

You haven't included unfettered immigration in your causes for the rise of the right, do you not consider this to be a factor?

If everyone was doing fine and had a decent standard of living, most people wouldn't bat an eyelid to immigration.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

If everyone was doing fine and had a decent standard of living, most people wouldn't bat an eyelid to immigration.

Correct but they're not, hospital waiting lists are increasing, housing shortage all linked to population expanding quicker than it can cope with.

 

[Really_here]

I know Chairman Starmer couldn't care less but this has hit 3million now

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I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election.

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[Kompany Car]

Correct but they're not, hospital waiting lists are increasing, housing shortage all linked to population expanding quicker than it can cope with.

Is that the problem or is it years of underinvestment, a lack of modernisation and an increase in people with mental health issues and illnesses related to being poor.

If you cant afford to eat properly, heat your house and continually live hand to mouth within insecure accomodation, is it any wonder the health service is swamped.

As you well know, the aging population also results in more demand.

Unskilled migrants undoubtedly cause additional strain on services but they are far the root cause.

I might be wrong but, its my belief that race, culture and religion doesn't cause division, its wealth differential.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Is that the problem or is it years of underinvestment, a lack of modernisation and an increase in people with mental health issues and illnesses related to being poor.

If you cant afford to eat properly, heat your house and continually live hand to mouth within insecure accomodation, is it any wonder the health service is swamped.

As you well know, the aging population also results in more demand.

Unskilled migrants undoubtedly cause additional strain on services but they are far the root cause.

I might be wrong but, its my belief that race, culture and religion doesn't cause division, its wealth differential.

Its simple numbers , demand exceeding supply. Why so scared of admitting that. Starmer agrees, we must bring immigration down. Why is he saying this if it's such a good thing. Truth is there is a balance and the balance in numbers is much lower that what we have been accepting.

 

[bluenova]

I know Chairman Starmer couldn't care less but this has hit 3million now

Petition: Call a General Election

I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election.

petition.parliament.uk

Only 3m? 19m people voted for parties other than Labour at the general election. Does this mean that the vast majority of them think he's doing a great job :)

Or is it as silly as the 6m that signed this petition?

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The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.

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[True_Blue69]

Out of interest what do you class as being far right in the UK. Is the far right the rioters this August? Is it voting for Reform? is it backing Kemi Bardenochs Conservatism? is it just voting for Brexit. Is it just wanting to slow the rate of immigration?

Was having a similar discussion the other day. Everything is ‘far right’ now. The way I always understood it was nazi skinheads or the like, seems that anyone that leans remotely right is now labelled far right.

Oh and before I get labelled it, I didn’t vote brexit and have never voted Tory, UKIP or Reform so am definitely not right leaning in any shape or form.

 

[Kompany Car]

Its simple numbers , demand exceeding supply. Why so scared of admitting that. Starmer agrees, we must bring immigration down. Why is he saying this if it's such a good thing. Truth is there is a balance and the balance in numbers is much lower that what we have been accepting.

I dont think I said immigration was necessarily positive, did I ? I just said its not the root cause of the problems.

Everything fundamentally is a supply and demand issue, not enough money/resources to go around due to the high concentration of excessive wealth in the hands of the few. This isnt people with a few million that Im talking about, its those with many tens or hundreds of millions. The type of people who hand a valuable asset over to a bank to get a secured loan and live off the loan, paying back a very low interest rate whilst not declaring any income and hence not paying a fair share of tax.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Maybe it’s the type of jobs, many are manual your electricians, plumbers etc that’s why this building if a 1.5 million homes is a total non starter we do t have the people to do it, so unless we open up the borders to allow thise workers in no way you train up all those people, many youngsters probably don’t want to do manual labour either this is where apprenticeships can really help, instead of going to university and getting a degree to work at McDonald’s encourage kids to go into these skilled jobs.
Unfortunately working in the pissing rain isn’t exactly selling it to youngsters many who spend most of the day indoors on a PS5, manual workers can earn a fortune these days but go into any school and there is hardly anything for these sort of skills it’s rightly teaching maths and English but wasting time on religion and to a lesser degree languages when kids from say the age of 14 could be learning skills in building trades using maths etc to show them how useful they are, especially for kids who aren’t academic might steer a generation in the right direction.
University has its place but nowadays it seems very fucker has a degree in some shit subject and yet end up in huge debt serving fries I wonder what the stats are for how many get into really good jobs from the off?

Yes youngsters don’t want to do the jobs their dads did that’s why a lot won’t be able to do any DIY when they eventually leave home and will have to pay someone to put a flat pack together or change a light bulb.

 

[bluenova]

Was having a similar discussion the other day. Everything is ‘far right’ now. The way I always understood it was nazi skinheads or the like, seems that anyone that leans remotely right is now labelled far right.

Oh and before I get labelled it, I didn’t vote brexit and have never voted Tory, UKIP or Reform so am definitely not right leaning in any shape or form.

It is ridiculous how many Tories get labelled far right. Where does that put Farage, or even Tommy Robinson? They're clearly significantly more to the right than plenty of Tories that get given the label.

It's also not helped that so much of social media is US influenced, and they describe what most of the world calls centre right, as far left, or even communism.

I think social media is to blame for a lot balkanisation of politics. Just a couple of decades ago, it was much easier for the main parties to be broad churches, because you had much smaller social groups. You'd be meeting people in person, so would be more likely to see them as similar to you, and you'd be happy with people who had broadly similar views. The bitter arguments were seen at the fringes with the constantly splintering of far left and far right groups.

Now, it's simple to find 1000 people who will agree exactly with your view of the world, and in that echo chamber, it's easy to see everyone else at extreme. If you're now seeing what used to be the centre left as right wing, or from the other side, seeing centre right as left wing, then anyone beyond those has to be 'far'.