The Labour Government

[BrianW]

That doesn't add up

The right wing surge in the UK didn't take place on Corbyn's watch. If Reform grow stronger it won't be because of the emergence of a Corbyn like figure. The Tories are veering right, but not because they're protecting us from socialism

The left don't need to win, in fact not winning is what the left do, what they do do is anchor politics, without a viable left, the electorate, when faced with hard times and no answers from the establishment parties, where are they gonna go? I'll tell you, they're gonna go far right, and that's what they're doing all over Europe, not to mention the USA.

People go far right out of despair. The far right always has 'answers'. It claims it can put everything 'right'. It's an attractive message for non-thinkers. The truth is they have no answers. Or rather, that their 'answer' is to foment hatred and persecution while in the background the uber-rich get uber-richer. I can understand people being taken in by this shit in the 1930s. They had no example before them.

We do, and it's unforgivable to fall for the same old con.

 

[jrb]

How much longer can Starmer and Reeves keep on blaming the Tories?

Will either of them take any responsibility for creating this current mess since Labour won the general election?

One of the UK's leading business groups, the CBI, said its latest company survey suggested "the economy is headed for the worst of all worlds".

Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the challenge to fix the economy "after 15 years of neglect is huge", while shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Monday's figures showed "growth has tanked on Labour's watch".

The revised figure will be a blow to the government which has made boosting the economy its top priority.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78631e4gygo

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No.

I'm saying that history shows that given that choice the right in politics tend to opt for fascism.

That's why, in present circumstances, it's good that we have a fairly centrist government. Although almost every day, I see people calling Starmer a communist.

It's that kind of purblind nonsense we have to be on guard against. Starmer has 1001 faults, but communist he ain't and nor is his government. Who is motivating this absurd pretence?

OK understood, FWIW I agree the UK population generally goes for middle of the road politics. I don't really see the UK ever voting for an extreme right wing fascist or extreme left wing government. History tells us its just not what we do.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

People go far right out of despair. The far right always has 'answers'. It claims it can put everything 'right'. It's an attractive message for non-thinkers. The truth is they have no answers. Or rather, that their 'answer' is to foment hatred and persecution while in the background the uber-rich get uber-richer. I can understand people being taken in by this shit in the 1930s. They had no example before them.

We do, and it's unforgivable to fall for the same old con.

Out of interest what do you class as being far right in the UK. Is the far right the rioters this August? Is it voting for Reform? is it backing Kemi Bardenochs Conservatism? is it just voting for Brexit. Is it just wanting to slow the rate of immigration?

 

[inbetween]

How much longer can Starmer and Reeves keep on blaming the Tories?

Will either of them take any responsibility for creating this current mess since Labour won the general election?

One of the UK's leading business groups, the CBI, said its latest company survey suggested "the economy is headed for the worst of all worlds".

Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the challenge to fix the economy "after 15 years of neglect is huge", while shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Monday's figures showed "growth has tanked on Labour's watch".

The revised figure will be a blow to the government which has made boosting the economy its top priority.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78631e4gygo

I haven't been a fan of Labour but I don't see how this is their fault. You only have to look at the majority of Europe to see that the western economy is on the brink of recession so why would we be immune? The idea that Labour, the Tories or anybody else could somehow tinker us out of this is fantasy.

The biggest opportunites for growth unfortunately lie elsewhere beyond Europe and that's where things get murky because those countries are increasingly aligning to the likes of China due to the huge Chinese inward investment. It really does depend upon whether we see ourselves as a global country or a western country?

At the moment our policy is that of a western country which aligns to western interests above all else, even if it means shooting ourselves in the foot. Aligning our economy to the west is why growth is non-existent, because there is no growth in Europe. Germany just for example is our biggest European trade partner and it hasn't seen any growth whatsoever for nearly 2 years.

So are we going to trade more with China at a time when one of China's allies is at war with somebody we're directly arming? It's bound to struggle. There is a growing argument now that resolving the conflict in Ukraine instead of arming Ukraine must become a priority.

Beyond that we do not control the necessary levers and that goes completely if US isolationism leaves Europe alone. We're in for a really tough time if Europe is left alone in the world whilst the US goes its own way under Trump and the axis of China/Russia etc continues to capture the key growth opportunities in Africa, India and South America.

 

[Kompany Car]

People go far right out of despair. The far right always has 'answers'. It claims it can put everything 'right'. It's an attractive message for non-thinkers. The truth is they have no answers. Or rather, that their 'answer' is to foment hatred and persecution while in the background the uber-rich get uber-richer. I can understand people being taken in by this shit in the 1930s. They had no example before them.

We do, and it's unforgivable to fall for the same old con.

You could equally argue that its the fault of politicians both past and present that have allowed the country to be in a state where people see the far right as a solution.

The seeds of the far right have been around for years but allowing corporations to ride roughshod over laws, failing to manage the impact of globalization and overseeing a general fall in living standards over the last 2 decades, provides the soil and water for the seeds of the far right to grow.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I haven't been a fan of Labour but I don't see how this is their fault. You only have to look at the majority of Europe to see that the western economy is on the brink of recession so why would we be immune? The idea that Labour, the Tories or anybody else could somehow tinker us out of this is fantasy.

The biggest opportunites for growth unfortunately lie elsewhere beyond Europe and that's where things get murky because those countries are increasingly aligning to the likes of China due to the huge Chinese inward investment. It really does depend upon whether we see ourselves as a global country or a western country?

At the moment our policy is that of a western country which aligns to western interests above all else, even if it means shooting ourselves in the foot. Aligning our economy to the west is why growth is non-existent, because there is no growth in Europe. Germany just for example is our biggest European trade partner and it hasn't seen any growth whatsoever for nearly 2 years.

So are we going to trade more with China at a time when one of China's allies is at war with somebody we're directly arming? It's bound to struggle. There is a growing argument now that resolving the conflict in Ukraine instead of arming Ukraine must become a priority.

Beyond that we do not control the necessary levers and that goes completely if US isolationism leaves Europe alone. We're in for a really tough time if Europe is left alone in the world whilst the US goes its own way under Trump and the axis of China/Russia etc continues to capture the key growth opportunities in Africa, India and South America.

Well our economy was in a healthier position than Germany and France, albeit not by much. The short term issues, since the election is that the government talked the economy down too much. Then Reeves has announced a very tax heavy budget, the majority of which haven't been phased in. Therefore this has shaken the confidence of business's and investors in the UK.n

 

[TinFoilHat]

How much longer can Starmer and Reeves keep on blaming the Tories?

Will either of them take any responsibility for creating this current mess since Labour won the general election?

One of the UK's leading business groups, the CBI, said its latest company survey suggested "the economy is headed for the worst of all worlds".

Chancellor Rachel Reeves said the challenge to fix the economy "after 15 years of neglect is huge", while shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Monday's figures showed "growth has tanked on Labour's watch".

The revised figure will be a blow to the government which has made boosting the economy its top priority.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78631e4gygo

They are cunts that got us into this mess and rode off into the sunset with our cash in their bank accounts.

I'd be holding an inquiry and Jailing any fucker who's profited from this economic clusterfuck.

 

[i kne albert davy]

They are cunts that got us into this mess and rode off into the sunset with our cash in their bank accounts.

I'd be holding an inquiry and Jailing any fucker who's profited from this economic clusterfuck.

Oh God that's me locked up then, mind I have worked for it and being a centrist Labour voter so far these have been pretty useless tax on business will limit pay rises next year and a Labour party taking money off pensioners ? if it had been the Tory's I'd be going off my box so think there's every right when these have done it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

You could equally argue that its the fault of politicians both past and present that have allowed the country to be in a state where people see the far right as a solution.

The seeds of the far right have been around for years but allowing corporations to ride roughshod over laws, failing to manage the impact of globalization and overseeing a general fall in living standards over the last 2 decades, provides the soil and water for the seeds of the far right to grow.

You haven't included unfettered immigration in your causes for the rise of the right, do you not consider this to be a factor?