The Rise of the Far Right

meltonblue said:
Even with Musk, I’m not sure with what Habib and Robinson are pushing, they’re ever going to get the numbers willing to go across that far....
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Musk is openly backing Tommy Robinson calling for our parliament to be dissolved to enable the Farage mob to come to power. How has this foreign interference been allowed to happen by the judicial guardians of our democracy? I despair.
 
johnny crossan said:
Musk is openly backing Tommy Robinson calling for our parliament to be dissolved to enable the Farage mob to come to power. How has this foreign interference been allowed to happen by the judicial guardians of our democracy? I despair.
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Exactly, unfortunately we’re beholden to America at the mo.

The amount they’ve injected themselves into other countries politics is worrying to say the least.
 
johnny crossan said:
Musk is openly backing Tommy Robinson calling for our parliament to be dissolved to enable the Farage mob to come to power. How has this foreign interference been allowed to happen by the judicial guardians of our democracy? I despair.
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Not sure if Musk is backing Reform, he’s actually backing Robinson and wants him heading Reform, with Farage sidelined.

Either way, one should be really worried if a racist like Musk is getting involved in UK politics.
 
meltonblue said:
Yep, that’s why I said the other day I do think inequality plays a big factor in all of this.
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I would submit a big driver is the dramatic, democratic, free, instantaneous increase in the cognizance of “inequality” — brought about by this thing we call the social media. Inequality has always been there to varying degrees — historically, it was both greater and lesser. It’s just now every single hour of every day you are bombarded by visceral stories of people more successful (and therefore “better”) than you (and the travails of people you can ridicule too). Consequently, especially given the barrage of information no human can filter and process for truth and accuracy, more humans look for simple solutions — and that’s where “it’s ‘their’ fault you are suffering” politics finds fertile soil.

Yes I am aware of the irony of simplistically addressing such a complex issue myself :).
 
blueinsa said:
It’s always good to read an unbiased account of what transpired.
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Well Searchlight magazine is seen as a Zionist front in some quarters and the Tommy Robinson movement is very much that way so I'd say they don't especially have a dog in this fight other than opposing authoritarians even though some would say they do just for being Jewish.
I don't see everyone on that march as a fascist but the people organising it I feel are aiming at genocide ultimately. Their bitter hatred is there in the speeches. Its not hard to guess what they'd do if they could. They're very very determined and I sense they smell blood.
 
meltonblue said:
Exactly, unfortunately we’re beholden to America at the mo.

The amount they’ve injected themselves into other countries politics is worrying to say the least.
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It's the American influence on British culture people should really be concerned and marching about, it's US tv, music, film, fast food that dominates.
 
The perfect fumble said:
If people are better off when the next general election rolls around they stand a chance, if not, then god knows what'll happen.
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I know of lots of Reform voters who are doing very well in their own lives, mortgages paid off, go on holidays etc - they’re the ones that seemed to be the most ‘outraged’ with Labour - because they’re being fed this country is losing its identity, culture and heritage etc , social media awash playing this same card.
So regardless if some have more money in their pockets come next election - the above is what they’ve been told to be angry about.
 
The perfect fumble said:
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That was a very interesting interview with Phillips. Thanks for posting it.

I’ve been keeping tabs on the Christofascist element within this Unite the Kingdom movement, especially characters like Rikki Doolan, Calvin Robinson (though I don’t think he attended), and Laurence Fox, as well as the call for a revival of Christian values by Ant Middleton, Ben Habib and others.

Phillips also mentioned that he saw non-whites there. That was presumably a reference to characters like Brother Wendell and someone who identifies on X as ‘basedandbougie’.

But what Phillips entirely omitted to mention was that these Christians largely come from the Pentecostal, Charismatic and Evangelical wings of the faith, one that is experiencing something of a modest revival right now with its Spirit-driven outlook. And more egregiously, Phillips did not point out that this lot are exclusivist in outlook and openly hostile to Islam.

By ‘exclusivist’, I mean that they see Christianity as the only true path to God. Other religions, and Islam especially, are deemed to be false. The scriptural basis for this is John 14v6 (‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’)

This is, of course, a complete misreading of that passage. 14v6 is inclusive not exclusive, as is the Fourth gospel as a whole. This is because John also insisted in 1v4 that ‘What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.’

In other words, God’s life falls indiscriminately over all. How could it be otherwise? The only question is whether that truth, in undoubtedly diverse forms, is recognised and appreciated.

Moving on, a very good discussion could be had as to what else was most central to Jesus’ teaching. Suffice it to say that the vile, divisive brand of politics on show on Saturday is diametrically opposed to the emphasis Jesus placed on ‘agape’ (impartial love of neighbour/enemy), and ‘splanchnizomai’ (spontaneous empathy for others) in the gospels.

As for the presence of non-whites, so what?

It’s entirely possible to identify with a far-right party or movement whilst not being part of the majority ethnic/religious group in a given country. See, for example, ex-jailbird Guramit Singh Kalirai (EDL), Enrique Tarrio (Proud Boys), & Tomio Okamura (leader of the Czech SPD).

Staying with inclusivist Christianity, there’s an additional lesson to be learned about it from the flag of St. George, namely, that it shouldn’t be divisive. This is because St. George is actually a major personage of mystical significance in the Islamic faith, where he is identified with the mysterious figure of Al-Khidr.

In mystical Islam what is “slain” is the “dragon” of our ego or baser self. This is pretty much what the great mystics of all the major world faiths aspire to. William Blake, Thomas Traherne, Ibn Arabi and Rumi would be typical examples.

In summary then, the Christians who attended that protest are scripturally and theologically illiterate.

And as for the likes of Yaxley-Lennon, Middleton, Fox et al., the sight of those cunts trying to identify themselves with Christianity is truly fucking sickening, and it wouldn’t surprise me if holy water brought them out in blisters.
 
The Minion said:
The BBC’s main article this morning shows the far right clashing with the police and then for a bit of balance a video clearly taken further away from the main March showing the left wing smiling and happy with one particular kaleidoscope woman in a wheelchair grinning at the camera.

It’s absolutely disgusting how biased the reporting is, the left have been allowed to get away with presenting themselves as non-violent for far too long when actually they are probably worse. Looking at the percentages of people who turned out on both sides I really hope that’s illustrative of the feeling in the country because when this goes pop, I’d hate to be on the left.
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Total fucking idiocy.
 
The perfect fumble said:
If people are better off when the next general election rolls around they stand a chance, if not, then god knows what'll happen.
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Ah, the materialist dialectic. Marx would be proud. Doesn't explain why the British working classes fought against fascism in the 30s, mind.

But what if these supporters of Tommy Robinson (who aren't racists, obviously...) aren't actually motivated by economics.

What if they really believe that whilst they're not at all racist, Muslims breed like rabbits and should be deported en masse.

What then?

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From The Londoner.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Ah, the materialist dialectic. Marx would be proud. Doesn't explain why the British working classes fought against fascism in the 30s, mind.

But what if these supporters of Tommy Robinson (who aren't racists, obviously...) aren't actually motivated by economics.

What if they really believe that whilst they're not at all racist, Muslims breed like rabbits and should be deported en masse.

What then?

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From The Londoner.
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what then? Don't ask them the tough questions they will have to think and then their heads hurt.

Janice looks like a sunbed enthusiast - why does she want to make herself brown?
 
blueinsa said:
I will indulge this.

Flippant is because folk are foaming at the mouth calling fumble some sort of racist which is so fucking laughably wide of the mark it’s untrue.

They’re guilty of exactly what he is telling them they’re guilty of but they won’t see it or face it.

Glib enough for you?
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Spot on - I've noticed a few posts heading towards personal attacks on Fumble now - they just cannot tolerate his logic and calmness.

Alternative opinions must be shouted down is their MO
 
ZenHalfTimeCrock said:
That was a very interesting interview with Phillips. Thanks for posting it.

I’ve been keeping tabs on the Christofascist element within this Unite the Kingdom movement, especially characters like Rikki Doolan, Calvin Robinson (though I don’t think he attended), and Laurence Fox, as well as the call for a revival of Christian values by Ant Middleton, Ben Habib and others.

Phillips also mentioned that he saw non-whites there. That was presumably a reference to characters like Brother Wendell and someone who identifies on X as ‘basedandbougie’.

But what Phillips entirely omitted to mention was that these Christians largely come from the Pentecostal, Charismatic and Evangelical wings of the faith, one that is experiencing something of a modest revival right now with its Spirit-driven outlook. And more egregiously, Phillips did not point out that this lot are exclusivist in outlook and openly hostile to Islam.

By ‘exclusivist’, I mean that they see Christianity as the only true path to God. Other religions, and Islam especially, are deemed to be false. The scriptural basis for this is John 14v6 (‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’)

This is, of course, a complete misreading of that passage. 14v6 is inclusive not exclusive, as is the Fourth gospel as a whole. This is because John also insisted in 1v4 that ‘What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.’

In other words, God’s life falls indiscriminately over all. How could it be otherwise? The only question is whether that truth, in undoubtedly diverse forms, is recognised and appreciated.

Moving on, a very good discussion could be had as to what else was most central to Jesus’ teaching. Suffice it to say that the vile, divisive brand of politics on show on Saturday is diametrically opposed to the emphasis Jesus placed on ‘agape’ (impartial love of neighbour/enemy), and ‘splanchnizomai’ (spontaneous empathy for others) in the gospels.

As for the presence of non-whites, so what?

It’s entirely possible to identify with a far-right party or movement whilst not being part of the majority ethnic/religious group in a given country. See, for example, ex-jailbird Guramit Singh Kalirai (EDL), Enrique Tarrio (Proud Boys), & Tomio Okamura (leader of the Czech SPD).

Staying with inclusivist Christianity, there’s an additional lesson to be learned about it from the flag of St. George, namely, that it shouldn’t be divisive. This is because St. George is actually a major personage of mystical significance in the Islamic faith, where he is identified with the mysterious figure of Al-Khidr.

In mystical Islam what is “slain” is the “dragon” of our ego or baser self. This is pretty much what the great mystics of all the major world faiths aspire to. William Blake, Thomas Traherne, Ibn Arabi and Rumi would be typical examples.

In summary then, the Christians who attended that protest are scripturally and theologically illiterate.

And as for the likes of Yaxley-Lennon, Middleton, Fox et al., the sight of those cunts trying to identify themselves with Christianity is truly fucking sickening, and it wouldn’t surprise me if holy water brought them out in blisters.
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Thanks for posting this.

What is becoming clear is that this was not a unified mass, rock solid behind a single ideology, that is both a strength and a weakness. Its strength is that it can draw upon a vast reservoir of unease, but its weakness is that it has no single unifying platform, it has no policies to unite the throng, nor any political levers to pull to bring them about if it did.

That means that folk can be peeled away from the movement.

The right wing media know this, that's why they were so desperate for their civil unrest this summer, coz without it they're banished to shouting on the sidelines and four years is a long time to keep shouting, I don't think Mike Graham can keep it up, there's nowt concrete about the concrete farmer.

As far as I can see Labour has a strategy of mild rebuke, missing the point, and using time with their hands over their ears, as their magic wand to waft this away.
 
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