The Labour Government

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The fucking state of politicians these days.

When I think to the likes of Neil Hamilton, John Stonehouse, Cyril Smith and that bloke who suffocated whilst wanking himself off with an orange stuffed in his mouth, it makes me want to weep.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

So how are we going to stop it?

Nobody can stop it, you can only manage it. It’s a tiny amount of people that need to be processed in-line with recognised international policy.

I get that you want to stop them, but they aren’t the problem. We have given international aid for decades, and even though we’ve made huge cuts in recent times, the cost for people seeking asylum is still borne by this fund.

The problem we have is that the people who have failed the country, syphoning off the money into rich pockets, have set a narrative that it’s the tiny percentage of people who cross on boats is why they’ve fucked the country.

Personally, I want a country that has compassion for people who need to seek refuge, like some of the people who supported myself and colleagues in Iraq and Afghanistan, who we completely let down when we closed all legal routes. And those that have made it here and not been accepted as asylum seekers, treat them with respect, get their claim processed and get them returned as soon as possible.

What we are seeing now is the first phase, from different factions, of alienating asylum seekers, soon to be followed by legal migrants who come here on visas. It won’t be long after before the likes of Robinson’s comments are taken literally and we move to deport all people of colour, because that’s what these people want.

Fortunately, I don’t think the majority of the UK are of the same mindset and our sense of fair play and compassion will not accept this notion.

The question from me is, who do you want to stop? People seeking asylum, or/and those who come here by legal routes to support our workforce needs.

 

[TinFoilHat]

A sex scandal??

Even if he was outed it would be in that nice gay couple that live next door and bake cakes for the neighbours. Not a butt plug or chain in sight.

 

[Gray]

Yo body can stop it, you can only manage it. It’s a tiny amount of people that need to be processed in-line with recognised international policy.

I get that you want to stop them, but they aren’t the problem. We have given international aid for decades, and even though we’ve made huge cuts in recent times, the cost for people seeking asylum is still borne by this fund.

The problem we have is that the people who have failed the country, syphoning off the money into rich pockets, have set a narrative that it’s the tiny percentage of people who cross on boats is why they’ve fucked the country.

Personally, I want a country that has compassion for people who need to seek refuge, like some of the people who supported myself and colleagues in Iraq and Afghanistan, who we completely let down when we closed all legal routes. And those that have made it here and not been accepted as asylum seekers, treat them with respect, get their claim processed and get them returned as soon as possible.

What we are seeing now is the first phase, from different factions, of alienating asylum seekers, soon to be followed by legal migrants who come here on visas. It won’t be long after before the likes of Robinson’s comments are taken literally and we move to deport all people of colour, because that’s what these people want.

Fortunately, I don’t think the majority of the UK are of the same mindset and our sense of fair play and compassion will not accept this notion.

The question from me is, who do you want to stop? People seeking asylum, or/and those who come here by legal routes to support our workforce needs.

The trouble for me is I think the vast majority are not really genuine asylum seekers.

 

[TinFoilHat]

The fucking state of politicians these days.

When I think to the likes of Neil Hamilton, John Stonehouse, Cyril Smith and that bloke who suffocated whilst wanking himself off with an orange stuffed in his mouth, it makes me want to weep.

Could have sworn the MP who died from wanking was wearing a rags shirt at the time. So the family requested the public statement read he died wearing suspenders and an an orange in his mouth to save further embarrassment?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Could have sworn the MP who died from wanking was wearing a rags shirt at the time. So the family requested the public statement read he died wearing suspenders and an an orange in his mouth to save further embarrassment?

Even worse, it was that kit they wore at the Dell.

 

[We've got Guardiola]

County councils cannot implement the things I want implemented: Dramatic reductions in public spending, followed shortly after by significant tax cuts. We NEED to get the economy growing and it is not growing (and hasn't been for 15+ years) because the tax burden is too high. State regulation and interference is too great. It needs reforming.

As long as Reform do all that, the country will start to recover.

Your views may vary. I care not.

Looking at spending alone is surely short-sighted? Taxation was at its lowest under the Tories and we didn't grow much then either. With Reform all growth will just be drained into the pockets of faceless non-doms under mates rate arrangements under Farage just as the US has become with Trump.

Millions are on long-term sick and productivity is suffering alongside historically high living costs, that's where the growth has gone, it has nothing to do with taxation. Nobody is struggling to pay their bills because of taxation, the poorest and middle classes barely pay any tax but they are paying record rents and energy costs.

Resolve health problems, get people back to work and make it worthwhile, sort out the crazy energy costs and robbing supermarkets and people will have cash to spend... The economy will then grow and government will finally act for people instead of treating them as an accountants spreadsheet.

Or are you arguing that the economy is not growing because Tesco made £3bn this year instead of £3.2bn due to Reeve's NI increase (I made this figure up but the analogy is there)? People should be at the heart of government policy on the economy and this will never happen with Farage.

 

[oldhamblue]

Was it Steven Milligan?

 

[Don Karleone]

You’re imagining just how shit he is mate.

You must be a racist/bigot/nazi/rw nutjob/Farage fan for even daring to think like that.

Lw nutjob tyvm.

 

[WestGorton]

The fucking state of politicians these days.

When I think to the likes of Neil Hamilton, John Stonehouse, Cyril Smith and that bloke who suffocated whilst wanking himself off with an orange stuffed in his mouth, it makes me want to weep.

I know. A Prime Minister who is not very charismatic but trying to do the right thing , in foreign policy and domestically, whilst making mistakes along the line. Where is my suit of armour.....! And my flag about a Turkish person?

 

[meltonblue]

Unbelievable Jeff.

Wouldn't you have thought that the government would have picked some known baby strangler they could send back without any objection from anyone.

So here we have the farce of an illegal immigrant, taking the UK to court (with legal costs paid for by the UK) so the UK can pay other lawyers to defend our position, and then the UK court rules against the UK.

This is exactly the sort of the woke liberal utter shite bollocks that has got our beloved country into the utter mess it's in today. Our courts are a disgrace. Our human rights lawyers are a disgrace. Our PM is a disgrace.

Your last paragraph is more than a little concerning. It has nothing at all to do with “wokeness”, nor are our courts or lawyers to blame. It is successive governments implementing poor (and conflicting) legislation.

Sort out the law.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The trouble for me is I think the vast majority are not really genuine asylum seekers.

And those are the ones that need to be sent home, like we did with the Albanians who came here for economic purposes. We all know that we need to keep people safe, and people who would do us harm also need to fall into this category, but they are a tiny minority and shouldn’t be used to depict all that try to get to these shores.

I, for one, am very grateful for what some of these people have done for us, and some have saved hundreds, maybe thousands of lives (not just UK), and it frustrates me that we don’t have a legal route, like a centre in France to apply.

People may not agree with me but my personal thoughts are that this is manufactured issue, started by the Tories who soon realised their mistake, which is now being used to divide our country by very rich people for their own gain.

My hope, and opinion is, that the majority of our people aren’t that gullible. I believe that we are good and fair people at heart but going through bad times because others can’t help themselves while watching their wealth grow exponentially.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Pleased to see the Hillsborough law got passed today and some long awaited bit of justice for those families. Well done Labour.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Pleased to see the Hillsborough law got passed today and some long awaited bit of justice for those families. Well done Labour.


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Good to see somebody mentioning this, let’s hold people to account.

Instead, we get bollox about pensioners getting taxed, even though they get a huge raise and it’s beyond the years that they are talking about.

If lies are your thing, enjoy them.

 

[moomba]

The trouble for me is I think the vast majority are not really genuine asylum seekers.

FWIW just under half the claims for asylum are deemed to have merit. Of those with rejected claims about a.third win on appeal.

In this case, he hasn't been granted asylum, just been given extra time to provide evidence for his claim.

For those whose claims are rejected, they'll end up returned.

 

[metalblue]

FWIW just under half the claims for asylum are deemed to have merit. Of those with rejected claims about a.third win on appeal.

In this case, he hasn't been granted asylum, just been given extra time to provide evidence for his claim.

For those whose claims are rejected, they'll end up returned.

The problem is the frivolous claims these HR lawyers come up with. Take the one last night one of the arguments would be returning him to France would result in him being homeless and destitute - and yes that was rejected.

I’ve no problem with genuine claims (and I think we need legal and safe routes for asylum seekers) and I doubt many do but if this guy was a genuine asylum seeker that wouldn’t be one of his arguments. His trafficking allegation seems a bit fanciful as well, I mean if you’re being trafficked why would you be homeless they’d find another way to traffic you to the UK.

 

[moomba]

The problem is the frivolous claims these HR lawyers come up with. Take the one last night one of the arguments would be returning him to France would result in him being homeless and destitute - and yes that was rejected.

I’ve no problem with genuine claims (and I think we need legal and safe routes for asylum seekers) and I doubt many do but if this guy was a genuine asylum seeker that wouldn’t be one of his arguments. His trafficking allegation seems a bit fanciful as well, I mean if you’re being trafficked why would you be homeless they’d find another way to traffic you to the UK.

No more frivolous than the home office claiming that because he passed through France he wasn't entitled to claim asylum. It's what happens in legal cases, you do what you can to win.

The home office also said that he was entitled to present his case, and they wouldn't expect him to present it from France.

So why not let him present it? It will either succeed and we need to accept that he has a legitimate right to stay. Or it will fail, and he'll be gone.

What I suspect, is the government is desperate to send some people home so they can say to the Reform folk "we're tough on immigration too". But we need to be careful that we don't take away people's rights in the process.

 

[metalblue]

Pleased to see the Hillsborough law got passed today and some long awaited bit of justice for those families. Well done Labour.


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Bonkers we even need a law for this but agreed good to see it done.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Was there really only going to be one returnee on the flight ? And then takes off with no one but a few hacks onboard ?
Poor David Milliband will be beside himself once he's worked out its carbon footprint. I wouldn't blame him if decided to glue himself, naked, to a wind turbine today.

 

[.db.]

Has the penny dropped with people that we cannot deport people as we like whilst the ECHR has legal jurisdiction over us? Yes.

Have we left the ECHR yet? No. Why not? Because the current government (and those that went before it) lack the balls to do so.

Once we've left it, suspended our membership, passed UK laws to allow us to ignore it, or whatever... Then we can start tackling the problem.

Exactly what the centre-left Social Democratic Party said they would do:

SDP - Immigration

We will reduce net migration to 50,000 per year, introduce offshore processing for illegal migrants, and withdraw from all international agreements that limit Britain's border sovereignty.

sdp.org.uk

There are people on the left who recognise the grievances that a lot of people in this country are feeling around immigration (which mostly isn’t what gets attention on videos on social media where thick racist idiots go viral for being thick racist idiots). But there are too many people on the left who are too entrenched in their opposition to anything the right want or say (even though it’s by no means just the right) that they don’t take the grievances on board and just argue against it.