The Rise of the Far Right

Vic said:
Ben Habib?

Another rich immigrant opposed to poorer immigrants?

We've been here before.

www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk

Our Migration Story: The Making of Britain

Jewish immigration and the Aliens Act
www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk
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This is the BBC Long View from 2015, give it a listen, there are some similarities to today, but the differences are telling. At the end I think you'll struggle to justify "we've been here before".

Bear in mind this is pre-welfare state.

The Aliens Act of 1905...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b052j0tp
 
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Vic said:
Yeah, and lots of similar language.
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Not really.

Don't get hung up on the language, this act was not anti-Semitic, words like deplorables and worse were frequently used to describe the great unwashed in Edwardian England, this was a class based society not a racial one.

Race was not a factor in this legislation, Jews weren't even classified as an ethnic group in 1905, they weren't classed as an ethnicity in the UK until the early 1980s, a classification that still raises eyebrows in some left wing circles today.

It's clear the Act was put in place to address a very specific problem that actually existed in London, Manchester and elsewhere, not even its critics in Parliament disputed that. The fear mongering of Robinson and Farage is based on lies, but the MP who proposed this was talking about real life implications for his East End constituency.

Did antisemitism exist in Edwardian England? Of course, but the Jews coming to England were escaping pogroms not arriving for more of the same.

And it's clear the Act was not a race act, it was a means test, they only interviewed those who had travelled steerage to this country. In principle, if not in practice, if you had the means you were in, if you didn't you weren't. The UK was not a welfare state in 1905, the state had very little obligation regarding the well being of its poorer citizens and none for the world's poor, so all it was doing was applying the same criteria to those that wanted to come here as it did to it's own citizens, because, as was stated in the radio documentary, if you dump poor immigrants in an existing poor area with no safety net it has very real economic consequences for the people already living there.

But what really struck me was three things.

It failed, most folk got in and the means test was clearly not very rigorously applied. The Liberals opposed this Tory bill in 1905, but they won the election that very same year with a healthy majority and yet they did not repeal it.

And I think this is the important bit, it enshrined in law that those fleeing very real persecution had a right by dint of that persecution to settle here. that was a radical leap for the Edwardians, I'd have to do a bit of research but outside of the British Empire and the USA, I'm not so sure that was the case in too many other places.

And it didn't last. In 1914 a new act was brought in as a consequence of a war where ethno-nationalism was very much a driver, far more so than anything we've ever experienced in liberal England, then and now.
 
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doots said:
Yes they are(whoever they are).
Do you not get it,I'm a British soldier with a union jack on my uniform(I'm not a soldier,this is for example) and I'm in a situation,firefight whatever and some **** I'm trying to protect takes umbrage with what's on my uniform,or I'm an athlete(I'm definitely not)and some **** wants me not to compete in the same competition because of the flag on my vest,or I'm a copper trying to stop a heinous crime happening right in front of me but the union flag in display on my uniform shouts right wing thug?
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Nobody's doing that doots
 
bluethrunthru said:
Its a mental illness

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If we are to avoid a terrible far right government we need fuckwits like this and millions like him to fall in behind Robinson and Habib's Advance UK and create a genuine three way split of the right wing vote.

They can talk about getting the government out by civil strife and revolution and bullshit like that, but they're talking out their arse, it ain't happening, in fact all that talk is a sign of their weakness. Let Advance UK build a party, let's hope they can muster a huge number of candidates chock full of loons with dubious twitter feeds and criminal records, let the fighting begin on the far right, they'll love it and they can all eat each other up.

Then we can all go down the pub, or the mosque, or wherever, and breathe a huge sigh of relief.
 
I am coming to the conclusion that things are going to seriously kick off in the next few years. These horrible cunts are yet another manifestation of the decline of western hegemony. We are going to get poorer and life is going to get harder, I fear.

There will be lots of anger and fear.

All the progress I saw in my life seemed to end about the time of the credit crunch. It’s been one step forward, two steps back since then. Can’t see that changing for the foreseeable.

I do think Reform will miss out on winning the next GE, but not by a huge margin, and principally because of tactical voting.

And that won’t make the problem go away.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I am coming to the conclusion that things are going to seriously kick off in the next few years. These horrible cunts are yet another manifestation of the decline of western hegemony. We are going to get poorer and life is going to get harder, I fear.

There will be lots of anger and fear.

All the progress I saw in my life seemed to end about the time of the credit crunch. It’s been one step forward, two steps back since then. Can’t see that changing for the foreseeable.

I do think Reform will miss out on winning the next GE, but not by a huge margin, and principally because of tactical voting.

And that won’t make the problem go away.
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Fix it easily - arrest them - jail them - hold them in tents in former military bases - if its good for some its good for others yeah?
 
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