Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

[robbieh]

Yep.

The shooter is a stupid ****.

Handed Mango Mussolini what he craved. A real excuse to attack anyone who is against him.

This is true but a country that can't cope with the assassination of a TV celebrity, is already in a bad place. Trump would have found an excuse to ratchet up the authoritarianism without Kirk's death.
Do we have an equivalent of Kirk in the UK and what would happen if he were assassinated? Would the country fall apart?

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Everyone seen the texts? People are asking why they arent timestamped. Candace owens seems to have been running live investigation youtube streams into this



And what's the deal with the note that was left but destroyed?



I mean is there more to this or is it just obviously bullshit!?

 

[Blue Maverick]

Everyone seen the texts? People are asking why they arent timestamped. Candace owens seems to have been running live investigation youtube streams into this



And what's the deal with the note that was left but destroyed?



I mean is there more to this or is it just obviously bullshit!?

The dog ate it

 

[BobKowalski]

Everyone seen the texts? People are asking why they arent timestamped. Candace owens seems to have been running live investigation youtube streams into this



And what's the deal with the note that was left but destroyed?



I mean is there more to this or is it just obviously bullshit!?

No, I don’t think there is anything more to this, but it is driving a lot of people on the right* insane so let ‘em fight and pass the popcorn.

*And a fair few on the left, but mainly to pour petrol on the flickering flame of distrust in the Trump Administration. Oh, and because they don’t believe anything that comes out of the FBI.

 

[hilts]

This is true but a country that can't cope with the assassination of a TV celebrity, is already in a bad place. Trump would have found an excuse to ratchet up the authoritarianism without Kirk's death.
Do we have an equivalent of Kirk in the UK and what would happen if he were assassinated? Would the country fall apart?

If it was Ant and Dec probably

 

[meltonblue]

To be honest I think Robinson shot Kirk because he hated him and his views. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that.

That’s what I think too, it’s not really that that generates the questions.

 

[robbieh]

To be honest I think Robinson shot Kirk because he hated him and his views. I don’t think it’s any more complicated than that.

Isn't one line of enquiry who benefits from his death?
Don't think the left do as there are so many nutters on the right one less makes very little difference.
The right obviously benefit from his death generally as it motivates them to become even more virulent. But within the American right I imagine there are factions. Maybe he wasn't as loved as everyone says.

Why do you think Robinson chose Kirk in particular? Was he just an easier target than the likes of Trump, Musk etc?

 

[BobKowalski]

Isn't one line of enquiry who benefits from his death?
Don't think the left do as there are so many nutters on the right one less makes very little difference.
The right obviously benefit from his death generally as it motivates them to become even more virulent. But within the American right I imagine there are factions. Maybe he wasn't as loved as everyone says.

Why do you think Robinson chose Kirk in particular? Was he just an easier target than the likes of Trump, Musk etc?

You can argue who stands to make the most political capital out of his death - Trump, Kirk’s wife, Fuentes etc, but the actual circumstances seem fairly straightforward. Robinson hated Kirk and his views, Kirk was active in his age demographic and then there is opportunity as Kirk presented himself pretty much on his doorstep. Add in the fact no one imagined Kirk would be in danger at a university in deep red Utah so security would have been light.

I don’t even think it’s a right/left thing. Robinson did it for personal reasons rather than political in my opinion. Not that anyone cares why he did it, it’s all about using his death to further various competing political narratives.

Anyway, my take on this for what it’s worth.

 

[robbieh]

You can argue who stands to make the most political capital out of his death - Trump, Kirk’s wife, Fuentes etc, but the actual circumstances seem fairly straightforward. Robinson hated Kirk and his views, Kirk was active in his age demographic and then there is opportunity as Kirk presented himself pretty much on his doorstep. Add in the fact no one imagined Kirk would be in danger at a university in deep red Utah so security would have been light.

I don’t even think it’s a right/left thing. Robinson did it for personal reasons rather than political in my opinion. Not that anyone cares why he did it, it’s all about using his death to further various competing political narratives.

Anyway, my take on this for what it’s worth.

Thanks. Sounds the most likely scenario when explained like that.

 

[west didsblue]

You can argue who stands to make the most political capital out of his death - Trump, Kirk’s wife, Fuentes etc, but the actual circumstances seem fairly straightforward. Robinson hated Kirk and his views, Kirk was active in his age demographic and then there is opportunity as Kirk presented himself pretty much on his doorstep. Add in the fact no one imagined Kirk would be in danger at a university in deep red Utah so security would have been light.

I don’t even think it’s a right/left thing. Robinson did it for personal reasons rather than political in my opinion. Not that anyone cares why he did it, it’s all about using his death to further various competing political narratives.

Anyway, my take on this for what it’s worth.

As you say, no one cares why he really did it. They only care about getting their own made up narrative accepted by enough people, which won’t be too difficult because the MAGA morons believe everything Trump and Fox says.

 

[Main Stand Hotdog]

I don’t even think it’s a right/left thing. Robinson did it for personal reasons rather than political in my opinion. Not that anyone cares why he did it, it’s all about using his death to further various competing political narratives.

Anyway, my take on this for what it’s worth.

I agree.

The text messages seem bizarre but then so is crawling up on a roof and shooting someone.

The problem is that it will be easy to weaponize his motives by those in the Trump regime because they are offering a simple narrative which is very comforting. 'He was a leftist and they're all violent, this is your enemy now.'

As opposed to the disturbing reality that it appears as though Robinson is a seemingly mild mannered (obviously in appearance only) young bloke who decided without much planning that he didn't like Charlie Kirk and he would put a bullet in him. It's far harder to comprehend and is quite uncomfortable to confront as a reality. People don't like it. It's a messy conclusion and doesn't fit neatly in to a box with a nice bow on it.

If you look at the messages from the discord server and the text msgs between his friends and his partner seemed quite normal. Not members of a dark web antifa network. You wouldn't even realise Robinson had a political leaning. I think I read that there's like two/three very generic references about politics that he contributed in the whole of the discord server.

Unfortunately I don't think any of this will ever make any sense which suits those pushing the simplest narrative.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Everyone seen the texts? People are asking why they arent timestamped. Candace owens seems to have been running live investigation youtube streams into this



And what's the deal with the note that was left but destroyed?



I mean is there more to this or is it just obviously bullshit!?

Either way the FBI have seriously prejudiced any prosecution by releasing all the 'evidence'.

 

[madloaf]

If Tyler the patsy had anything about him he'd come out and say he was die hard maga/groyper. You've been caught (set up). Stick it to the mother fuckers, and say Kirk wasn't racist enough for you, not stupidly transphobic enough. What will they do then?

 

[PinkFinal]

BBC World Service - The Documentary Podcast, Charlie Kirk and free speech

Kirk’s supporters and other activists discuss the future for freedom of speech in the US

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Either way the FBI have seriously prejudiced any prosecution by releasing all the 'evidence'.

In what world is a jury going to find him not guilty though? If his lawyers have any sense then they'll be telling him to plead guilty and to come up with some mental health sob story. The big win for Republicans will be if the FBI can pull some sort of leftist/Democrat conspiracy out of him in exchange for a reduced sentence...

His trajectory at the mo is death row although I don't think that Utah execute many prisoners so maybe the judges are quite lenient there. They'll face a lot of federal pressure though unless he can throw them a bone...

 

[west didsblue]

Why do you think Robinson chose Kirk in particular?

Spock and McCoy had already died of old age.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

His trajectory at the mo is death

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

As you say, no one cares why he really did it. They only care about getting their own made up narrative accepted by enough people, which won’t be too difficult because the MAGA morons believe everything Trump and Fox says.

And here is the latest!



LOL

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And here is the latest!



LOL

Shame for Kirk his power of miracle didn’t extend to stopping the bullet in its tracks.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

And here is the latest!



LOL

Off their tits!