Charlie Kirk shot dead at Utah university

Winchester said:
A father was shot in cold blood by some coward
A wife has lost her Husband
The Kids have lost their Dad
Ok so he's high up in the American public Eye
But has still been murdered
And some of you on here post total Vile comments ranging from His wife putting on her emotions in a a staged show to an Eveganical Facist Rally
WTF is wrong with some of you??
A life has been taken and some of you on here with your Posts are no better than those cheering CK Is dead !
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Tribalism and hate is the default position these days for those on the left and right of politics. This forum reflects that bitter divide. I still believe the silent majority are in the centre ground. Sometimes I begin to wonder though.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Tribalism and hate is the default position these days for those on the left and right of politics. This forum reflects that bitter divide. I still believe the silent majority are in the centre ground. Sometimes I begin to wonder though.
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It’s amazing how when a government turns to authoritarianism, rampant lying, cruelty and criminality, some people hate it, isn’t it?

Incidentally, do you have ANY idea how many posters here are actually on the “right” or “centre” but are appalled by what the GOP has become? Because if you did, you’d realis(z)e perhaps you mischaracteriz(s)ed the “divide” in your post.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It’s amazing how when a government turns to authoritarianism, rampant lying, cruelty and criminality, some people hate it, isn’t it?

Incidentally, do you have ANY idea how many posters here are actually on the “right” or “centre” but are appalled by what the GOP has become? Because if you did, you’d realis(z)e perhaps you mischaracteriz(s)ed the “divide” in your post.
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Your reply proves my case. The USA is divided and so is the UK.
 
Winchester said:
A father was shot in cold blood by some coward
A wife has lost her Husband
The Kids have lost their Dad
Ok so he's high up in the American public Eye
But has still been murdered
And some of you on here post total Vile comments ranging from His wife putting on her emotions in a a staged show to an Eveganical Facist Rally
WTF is wrong with some of you??
A life has been taken and some of you on here with your Posts are no better than those cheering CK Is dead !
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Celebrating the assassination is vile.

Second guessing the widow's motivations is vile.

The death is being used by Trump and acolytes to silence their opponents is vile.

Having a MAGA campaign rally to "grieve" his death is vile.
 
Ok, cards on the table. I submitted a post earlier today decrying the widow. I am centre-left UK citizen living in Scotland, not a left-wing or right-wing diehard from the US. I do not regret my post at all. I just said what I saw. Of course it is awful for a wife to lose her husband, children their father, but this is being hijacked and politicised by MAGA and Trump disgustingly. Anything to distract from the Epstein files. I noticed that guyliner Vance was lecturing yesterday how “they” will not silence Charlie Kirk’s rhetoric. Who are “they”? Because the person that shot him was a from right wing Republicans-family sympathiser, not a “ radical left”. I never saw Charlie Kirk’s views till I watched him being schooled by Oxford students on YouTube after he was murdered. It was funny him shouting (not debating) at educated people, him being a college dropout-out himself, dare I say uneducated? I can see why he only “debated with high school kids”.
Either way, he should not be killed for his views, but I’m not sure the MAGA people yesterday would agree with that statement as their administration slides further and further to autocracy and fascism.Didnt see this kind of memorial to the Democrat Minnesota politician and her partner killed by a Trump voter recently, funny that?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Your reply proves my case. The USA is divided and so is the UK.
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They are but I think what you are seeing isn't a left v right polarisation in the traditional sense and to characterise it as such downplays what is really happening. For about a hundred years (and prior to this it was our direction of travel) our arguments around how left or right our governments should be, have taken place in the context of what we often abbreviate to Western Liberal Democracy.

This is a different situation, what is currently happening in the US isn't just a different flavour of traditional politics, it's a direct assault on the system that has been in operation for at least century. Its the difference between people who still consider that liberal democracy, warts and all, is still a better way to govern ourselves vs people who are seeking to install (or happy to be living under) authoritarian governments for whom democracy is an impediment to them imposing their will, be that theocratic or economic.

if you read some of the writings of the silicon valley great and the good, it's clear that they see themselves as more capable and able to run the world than our current models of government; and they're not even the worst of the unholy alliance of would be dictators.
 
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Vance talking about ’they’ when taking about this murder, when what we are talking about here, based on everything in the public domain is a lone gunman acting completely alone both in terms of planning and carrying out the act.

If that isn’t weaponising the murder I don’t know what is.
 
johnny crossan said:
Chilling stuff in Arizona including his widow misquoting the bible but she was the only sane one on the stage.
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I would be incredibly pissed off if I was her. The death of her husband has been hijacked by a political class who quite frankly do not give a shit about Charlie Kirk. Kirk's death was a tragedy because he actually did things in the right way, he was openly MAGA and perhaps wrong on many things but at least he could be openly debated and challenged.

MAGA are not this, MAGA silence free speech and they're not open to debate, Trump does not even participate in debate and he only acts to reduce the institutions that can challenge him. That is not what Kirk stood for and it's sad that Erika Kirk think's her mission somehow aligns with Trump when she's just being used as a cultist.

And now they're redesigning themselves under the banner of a completely fake Christian cause but only because that is what Kirk stood for, they don't actually stand for any true Christian values. What should be extremely troubling is the fact that the intelligent and big tech set such as Musk, Bezos and Zuckerberg are bending down to it too.

And these are the people who will have their hands on the tiller when it comes to AI. Very chilling.
 
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Go away
roubaixtuesday said:
Celebrating the assassination is vile.

Second guessing the widow's motivations is vile.

The death is being used by Trump and acolytes to silence their opponents is vile.

Having a MAGA campaign rally to "grieve" his death is vile.
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Winchester said:
Go away
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A rational and thought through position you've got there.

Any clue as to which of these you object to, or is it just someone disagreeing with you you can't cope with?

Celebrating the assassination is vile.

Second guessing the widow's motivations is vile.

The death is being used by Trump and acolytes to silence their opponents is vile.

Having a MAGA campaign rally to "grieve" his death is vile.
 
threespires said:
This is a different situation, what is currently happening in the US isn't just a different flavour of traditional politics, it's a direct assault on the system that has been in operation for at least century. Its the difference between people who still consider that liberal democracy, warts and all, is still a better way to govern ourselves vs people who are seeking to install (or happy to be living under) authoritarian governments for whom democracy is an impediment to them imposing their will, be that theocratic or economic.
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This point is getting lost on people, as the Right seeks to demonize the “Radical Left.”

As I’ve said repeatedly, the Trump side show is a simple grift, but the real story is the remaking of America as a self-financed Christian Nationalist movement.

Worst part? They told us, but too many of us either didn’t listen or believed Trump when he said he had no idea what Project 2025 was!

Their “unitary executive,” who rules by EO fiat, is their wet dream and they think they have the Right Wing SCOTUS to ram it through, as Congress abdicates its responsibility and bows at Trump’s feet.

There’s a reckoning coming and I just hope it isn’t too messy.
 
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