PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.
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If the result is released & City prevail then I think it’s ok to name & shame the know nowt incompetent cunts….
 
CC1 said:
He’d still be asked for more details - we now don’t believe anything on here unless they are facts or clearly posted as an opinion by the poster.
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Would they?

I remember not long after this whole thing started that Tolmie was posting stuff about being told "95% of the charges have been wiped off the table" etc. And that's no disrespect to Tolmie so please don't take it that way, and apologies if that wasn't the exact quote...but that was the gist of it.

No demand for names, source or confirmation...just pages and pages of people hypothetically jumping for joy.
 
If they were “very senior” PL officials I’m honestly surprised they were being so open about what they saw as the likely outcome. I would have expected if they were at that level, and so by definition close to Masters in terms of hierarchy, that they would choose to or been told to, or be professional enough, to maintain the same line as he uses ie no comment/let’s wait and see.
 
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Ric said:
There's no need to berate @Nicholas van Whatsisface. As others have said, he's a good poster and not prone to wumming. I'm sure what he has posted is in good faith. It's unsurprising that both parties are bullish in their position at this stage, in the absence of the actual verdict.
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tbf ric he may have posted in good faith but the reality is hes caused a shitstorm while saying nothing, if the dailymail or the sun said two unamed pl executives were confident that the pl had prevailed in the case against man city it would be rightly dismissed out of hand, this is no different. Its just noise with zero context i am not doubting nicholas in what he says but as accomplished as he is he will have known exactly how people would react and also that would people would want context.

If i said something similar will providing zero context i would expect exactly the same reaction.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Would they?

I remember not long after this whole thing started that Tolmie was posting stuff about being told "95% of the charges have been wiped off the table" etc. And that's no disrespect to Tolmie so please don't take it that way, and apologies if that wasn't the exact quote...but that was the gist of it.

No demand for names, source or confirmation...just pages and pages of people hypothetically jumping for joy.
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Oh I think Tolmie was definitely inundated with questions & comments. Just like Stefan is
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I don’t disagree with any of that.

But it’s not really related to what I posted - which was about PL reps still pushing the position that City didn’t have a leg to stand on.

Like I said - this could absolutely be based on a lack of closeness to the mechanics of the case, and indicative of the general corporate perspective on it all. Nothing more.

But it was interesting to me as, if there is an assumption that the results have either dropped already to the relevant parties - or are about to drop - there was no sense of conciliation or acceptance of City’s position in the comments.
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Ceferin was saying they were confident 5 years after being found to have no evidence & actually broke their own rules to charge us.
 
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yozzerblue said:
I'll show my arse in Burtons window if any of this is true. Firmly believe we are innocent. The man has the right to post what he wants but I'm not having it. If im wrong I will come back and apologise.
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Of course your firmly believe we are innocent you're a Blue, most rags firmly believe we are guilty of the lot!
Bar whataboutery evidence not enough is in the public domain for any party to be that confident.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
But if he posted he heard that they're not confident (the PL) it would be a "soft signal" and everyone becoming ecstatic over it?

It has to work both ways, Shirley?
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People can accept what they want, of course, but no, not really.

A theory has to stand up to some sort of scrutiny. It doesn't. I don't know who the two people were but they either really know what's going on or they don't. If they know and they are talking about it in a professional capacity to someone they don't really know well, then a lot more people would likely know about it. They don't. Not a smidgeon in the press for how many months (years?) about PL confidence? It's all no comment. If these two people don't know, of course, it's not interesting.

It falls into the same category as other reports that pop up on here occasionally. By all means, assess them, I am not saying the poster isn't relating accurately what he was told, I am just saying assess it together with everything else we know.
 
Ric said:
There's no need to berate @Nicholas van Whatsisface. As others have said, he's a good poster and not prone to wumming. I'm sure what he has posted is in good faith. It's unsurprising that both parties are bullish in their position at this stage, in the absence of the actual verdict.
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Nobody is berating him but when a bombshell is posted, it’s bound to get lots of questions and comments. Otherwise there’d be no Bluemoon forum. I understand a forum to mean you can ask questions???
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Would they?

I remember not long after this whole thing started that Tolmie was posting stuff about being told "95% of the charges have been wiped off the table" etc. And that's no disrespect to Tolmie so please don't take it that way, and apologies if that wasn't the exact quote...but that was the gist of it.

No demand for names, source or confirmation...just pages and pages of people hypothetically jumping for joy.
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I remember some weird cock and bull story on here that City had a recording of referees plotting against us in a derby and that was going to be the end of this case. What came of that one then?
 
mancboy said:
Im just playing devils advocate here because basically all this has kicked off from someone with zero credentials saying something highly speculative with zero context and then refusing to provide any context which then just really amounts to screaming i want attention.
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I’ve got no interest in creating melodrama for attention.

I’ve been on here for 17 years, and have no history of winding people up for fun.

I posted something that I heard directly which indicated the general view of some relatively senior people at the PL towards our case.

Nothing more. We didn’t get into a deep dive on any of it - but their position was one of bullish confidence.

There could be any number of reasons for their taking this position, and I’m not suggesting these people would be intimately involved in the case.

But if the result has already landed, and is known at the PL - I would expect them to know the general direction, if not the detail.

Take it or leave it.
 
Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
I’ve got no interest in creating melodrama for attention.

I’ve been on here for 17 years, and have no history of winding people up for fun.

I posted something that I heard directly which indicated the general view of some relatively senior people at the PL towards our case.

Nothing more. We didn’t get into a deep dive on any of it - but their position was one of bullish confidence.

There could be any number of reasons for their taking this position, and I’m not suggesting these people would be intimately involved in the case.

But if the result has already landed, and is known at the PL - I would expect them to know the general direction, if not the detail.

Take it or leave it.
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Ill do neither and tbh mate if you have been here that long then you should absolutely know that an assertion such as the one you made with zero context to it is obviously going to create melodrama anyone whos been here ten mins would know that.
 
CC1 said:
Nobody is berating him but when a bombshell is posted, it’s bound to get lots of questions and comments. Otherwise there’d be no Bluemoon forum. I understand a forum to mean you can ask questions???
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You can, but you can't demand that they're answered
 
Think it depends on what charges the PL felt bullish about proving? If they think they've done us for proving the 30 non-cooperation charges then they can crack on.
 
CC1 said:
Oh I think Tolmie was definitely inundated with questions & comments. Just like Stefan is
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I'm not sure they received anywhere near the same sort of response, there's calls for @Nicholas van Whatsisface to be banned for wumming, although not entirely convinced that post wasn't a WUM in itself but from the sort of responses he's received in light of his information it's plausible not to be.
 
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