Gary Neville

[Kippax77]

Did you type that with a straight face?

You got there first

 

[bert38]

Classic leftie bingo card.

Everyone that sees things differently from you has been whipped up by social media, Farage, Tommy Robinson.

It’s only 30k asylum seekers we’re housing and they’re all doctors and surgeons anyway.

Bloody hell. And all to defend a little twerp like Neville. Couldn’t make it up.

anything these days that isn't far right is a 'leftie'...my views like the majority are centrist.

i believe that net immigration has been too high-and that was likely an outlier due to ukraine/hong kong, i also support secure borders-but not at the expense of laying the problems of this country that have been largely self inflicted at the feet of desperate people.

it seems that those critising neville for highlighting division are fully onboard with it-they welcome that division.

 

[Coatigan]

And what if you are equally as pissed off about the grifters Farage & Robinson and immigration being out of control at the same time.

What if you are as embarrassed about the flag cunts as much as you are about mental woke stuff.

Or do you have to pick a side as if its a football team and defend it regardless of facts?

Well then you are fucked.

And at some point, you will inevitably be pulled into 'picking' a side, while both continue to actively pull in opposite directions and the middle ground narrows.

 

[meltonblue]

You open a can of worms where immigration needs tackling overall. You start with the ones here illegally though surely. We cannot sustain the level of growth in this country. We cannot house the people that live here now. (unless you arrive on a boat) So what is the solution? I know, we control our numbers, we control our borders, we stop letting every person in who fancies it. Very simply, if you want to live here you need to respect our culture, have a craft or skill you can bring us and contribute to society. If you can't then go elsewhere until we have our own shit in order. That isn't racist to say, it is simple logic.

Are you arguing not to accept any asylum seekers at all here?

 

[BlueHammer85]

In your opinion the flags are being misused, because that is the angle you have chosen to take on it. It doesn't matter what others say to you, what others in support of the flags are telling you and the purpose behind it. You are stuck in that belief and nothing will change, no problem but step back and see the approach you are taking where you are in a position of not listening to others. You are defining the sentiment behind it when you are not involved in it. You have decided what you think the sentiment is and that's that. You are very wrong but as stated you won't hear otherwise. When people want to call division out, this approach is a good example of it.

where was these flags and painting roundabouts a year ago before Tommy and co were whipping everyone up on social media ? If you can't see the racist motive behind these flags then there is no helping.

 

[Coatigan]

In your opinion the flags are being misused, because that is the angle you have chosen to take on it. It doesn't matter what others say to you, what others in support of the flags are telling you and the purpose behind it. You are stuck in that belief and nothing will change, no problem but step back and see the approach you are taking where you are in a position of not listening to others. You are defining the sentiment behind it when you are not involved in it. You have decided what you think the sentiment is and that's that. You are very wrong but as stated you won't hear otherwise. When people want to call division out, this approach is a good example of it.

Not in the fucking slightest.

I doubt you are naive btw. Leaving it there.

 

[Brewster's millions]

And what if you are equally as pissed off about the grifters Farage & Robinson and immigration being out of control at the same time.

What if you are as embarrassed about the flag cunts as much as you are about mental woke stuff.

Or do you have to pick a side as if its a football team and defend it regardless of facts?

Perfectly possible to be annoyed by the costs imposed on taxpayers by the small boat crossings and dislike Farage, Robinson and painted roundabouts.

Many people are. Millions of people in fact, possibly a majority of the country.

Suggesting that all such people have been whipped up by social media is extremely tedious, but unfortunately a fair few on here still persist in doing so. Along with wilfully posting false figures around the number of small boat crossings and the associated costs and burden placed on public services.

 

[Winchester]

I'm sure Mr Neville's Employers will be impressed regarding his comments

 

[CΛL]

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[AK45]

where was these flags and painting roundabouts a year ago before Tommy and co were whipping everyone up on social media ? If you can't see the racist motive behind these flags then there is no helping.

It isn't racist to unite behind our countries flag, to believe it is because you are so far left, well, then there is no helping

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Sense of proportion isn’t doing too well in this thread.

 

[AK45]

Are you arguing not to accept any asylum seekers at all here?

My argument would be it needs to be looked at for a period of time to allow our country to be sustainable. I am not saying allow nobody and ever, but if you cannot cope with your current numbers, you allow mass immigration to take place on top of allowing more illegals in then it will continue to be unsustainable and become worse, somehow worse than it already is. That isn't racist to say we cannot cope with our current numbers, so we need to stop adding to them numbers for now surely? If a bus driver reached full capacity, then allowed countless more on and crashed, I think people would be asking why he overpopulated the bus. Especially if the extra people he allowed on didn't pay for their place.

 

[stonerblue]

Couldn't agree more with you, I would add there are many lessons we could learn from what has happened to Sweden where now 20% of the population is ethnic

Agree with all of this, I would add look at what has happened over the last 40years in Sweden where they went from an indigenous population being one of the wealthiest countries in the world per capital, to allowing in people from every war torn country starting with Afganistan back in 1979.
It starts out with all good intentions however if they don't integrate into the culture they become isolated in ghettos which become breeding grounds for animosity and hatred of our western culture.
The ethnic population in Sweden is now at 20%.
I'm colour blind when it comes to racism however cultures don't mix, that should be the reason for why we have borders.
If you don't integrate,contribute and love our country then go and live in the country you do.

Sweden admitted to making a mistake when it built housing for immigrants and put them all together.
THey are now dismantling that approach, and the housing, and spreading out immigrant housing around the country.

 

[stonerblue]

Do we have enough homes for the people here still?

Yes.

 

[moomba]

My argument would be it needs to be looked at for a period of time to allow our country to be sustainable. I am not saying allow nobody and ever, but if you cannot cope with your current numbers, you allow mass immigration to take place on top of allowing more illegals in then it will continue to be unsustainable and become worse, somehow worse than it already is. That isn't racist to say we cannot cope with our current numbers, so we need to stop adding to them numbers for now surely? If a bus driver reached full capacity, then allowed countless more on and crashed, I think people would be asking why he overpopulated the bus. Especially if the extra people he allowed on didn't pay for their place.

So many examples where government money is being wasted in far greater numbers than immigration. If we focused on that we can easily focus with our current numbers.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It isn't racist to unite behind our countries flag, to believe it is because you are so far left, well, then there is no helping

I see no patriotism watching mugs put England Temu flags on lampposts, painting roundabouts and graffitiing on posts boxes and road signs - its vandalism and it's being done to intimidate Muslims and migrants.

 

[AK45]

So many examples where government money is being wasted in far greater numbers than immigration. If we focused on that we can easily focus with our current numbers

I am sure there is, so lets cut down the wasting across the board, including on illegal immigration?

 

[meltonblue]

My argument would be it needs to be looked at for a period of time to allow our country to be sustainable. I am not saying allow nobody and ever, but if you cannot cope with your current numbers, you allow mass immigration to take place on top of allowing more illegals in then it will continue to be unsustainable and become worse, somehow worse than it already is. That isn't racist to say we cannot cope with our current numbers, so we need to stop adding to them numbers for now surely? If a bus driver reached full capacity, then allowed countless more on and crashed, I think people would be asking why he overpopulated the bus. Especially if the extra people he allowed on didn't pay for their place.

I don’t think anyone would say it’s racist when your argument is purely on the numbers that the country can sustain, albeit I don’t think a one size fits all approach can work as legal immigration should really be about a need rather than a hindrance.

On asylum, personally I think we can cope with the current numbers, albeit it needing a very different approach given our cost of application compared to other countries. I’m not sure whether it’s that for a lot of people though or whether they don’t want to see them at all as most of the arguments I’ve seen from those behind the raising the flags movements haven’t been economic, they’ve been cultural. That’s not to say that’s racist or wrong either, albeit it obviously will be for some involved.

 

[Lowtower]

It isn't racist to unite behind our countries flag, to believe it is because you are so far left, well, then there is no helping

What the fuck is unite behind our countries flag? What purpose does this new found loving of displaying the flag mean.

For me, if they want to make the country better or whatever it is, donate the flag purchasing cash to some charity and do some sort of decent community work, litter pick for an hour for example, thats making things better, not whacking a cheapo flag off the nearest lamppost in a half arsed way making it look shitter than it was already.

Weird cunts mate.

 

[AK45]

Yes.

I am someone who works in housing, someone who teaches housing. There is not enough homes for the people that are here now. There is a mass shortage for many different reasons which would take a while but I can educate you on if you wish. Simply, if we had enough houses for the numbers here now (we don't, not even close) then we wouldn't need hundreds of hotels across the country to house illegals, we can throw them in the countless homes we have. There wouldn't be waiting lists for years for social housing. homelessness wouldn't be at an all time high and other examples would prove there isn't enough homes in this country for the numbers we have. Very simply.