Jenrick is a boring fucker. If he ousts Badenough, that will be the final nail in their coffin, despite her doing a grand job herself banging the nails in
Sorry mate, but blaming their inability to stop the boats on the liberal wing of the Tory party is preposterous.Doomed I think.
Their electors gave them clear instructions to stop the migrant boats.
They didn't because the liberal wing of the party, packed into parliament by Cameron ( against the will of the the membership I may add) refused to do what was necessary.
Their electors noticed and took their support elsewhere - and they won't be coming back as they no longer trust the Tory Party to carry out manifesto promises.
You think?Sorry mate, but blaming their inability to stop the boats on the liberal wing of the Tory party is preposterous.
1. Stopping benefits to who?You think?
There are THREE things they REFUSED to do...
1. They refused TO stop benefits (as many European Countries have done). Even Starmer is talking about this.
2. They refused to stop family members joining them. Starmer is doing this apparantly.
3. Under no circumstances would they leave the ECHR - they also refused to straight jacket certain clauses to fact rather than judicial opinion.
So yes they did prevent the Tory gov from doing what was necessary.
If what is posted is nonsense, why would you respond? Just drive past and enjoy your day.1. Stopping benefits to who?
2. Them? What does this mean?
3. I don’t understand what the part about fact/judicial opinion means.
So I’m genuinely unable to respond to what you’ve posted.
Because he was responding to me and I’ve met him a few times in person and so have no desire to ignore him.If what is posted is nonsense, why would you respond? Just drive past and enjoy your day.
A decent conversation between acquaintances to keep the debate going, then.Because he was responding to me and I’ve met him a few times in person and so have no desire to ignore him.
I am enjoying my day though, thanks.
Brexit unleashed forced that could not be contained, and still cannot. Its reach extends far beyond the economic impact.First, the sensible Tories were thrown out over Brexit.
Now the nutters have moved to Reform.
Doesn't leave a right lot, does it?
The Party effectively committed hara-kiri when it got into the Brexit thing.
Shakespeare could have written a Tragedy about it, were he here today.
The Party of Disraeli, Baldwin, Churchill, Macmillan and Thatcher - destroyed, not by its opponents, but by itself.
The party survived the repeal of the corn laws which sent them into opposition for thirty years or more. They will survive this.First, the sensible Tories were thrown out over Brexit.
Now the nutters have moved to Reform.
Doesn't leave a right lot, does it?
The Party effectively committed hara-kiri when it got into the Brexit thing.
Shakespeare could have written a Tragedy about it, were he here today.
The Party of Disraeli, Baldwin, Churchill, Macmillan and Thatcher - destroyed, not by its opponents, but by itself.
I agree.I hope they haven’t ended. The more split the right wing vote is between them and Reform the better.
Spot on.Brexit unleashed forced that could not be contained, and still cannot. Its reach extends far beyond the economic impact.
There's a lesson to be learnt from Canada in 1993...ConForm next election?
here she is in her full glory killing her Party - can't make any sort of cogent argument when pressed - again we have the Tory Party who thinks people just need to believe what they say that much more then things will work out - you know like Brexit did?
Looking at the rest of Western Europe maybe our continuing decline since 2016 would have still occurred, but I’d say Brexit definitely made those symptoms to which you refer discernibly worse.Too many folk look at Brexit as the cause of stuff, it wasn't, it was the symptom of stuff. A prevailing anxiety, the demise of the promise of the future, the loss of better times to come, coupled with a collapse in confidence that our institutions will make things better in our everyday lives.
Prevailing anxiety - in 2015? About what? Five more years of austerity under the Tories? It certainly wasn't the EU.Spot on.
Too many folk look at Brexit as the cause of stuff, it wasn't, it was the symptom of stuff. A prevailing anxiety, the demise of the promise of the future, the loss of better times to come, coupled with a collapse in confidence that our institutions will make things better in our everyday lives.
Aphoristic I know, but I can't put it any other way.
It’s actually fucking mental that you think there was no prevailing anxiety about the EU the year before the majority of those that voted decided to leave.Prevailing anxiety - in 2015? About what? Five more years of austerity under the Tories? It certainly wasn't the EU.