President Trump

Not disputing any of that, but Obama won his Nobel Prize in 2009, right at the start of his presidency. What came after that is a different matter.

Trump has been an absolute tyrant throughout and practically begging for a Peace Prize the whole time.
 
So what? More Americans believe the earth was created in the last few 1000 years. They're wrong too.

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This is sadly, unquestionably true. And there were lots of inequities about the grammar school system but it did (in conjunction with free higher education) at least give smart, working class kids a chance to be socially mobile in a way that simply isn’t available today. Don’t think bringing them back (in a universal sense) is feasible but their widespread abolition has in many ways reduced social mobility and presumably has led to a significant increase in the percentage of kids being educated privately in the last half century.
Two very good comments. I was fortunate enough to get a physics degree, free of charge (single mother, working class) so full grant. Have paid it back 1000 times over in tax. God help the poor bastards these days. I know some of them and they are ‘rudderless’. Makes me feel quite sad.
 
Not disputing any of that, but Obama won his Nobel Prize in 2009, right at the start of his presidency. What came after that is a different matter.

Trump has been an absolute tyrant throughout and practically begging for a Peace Prize the whole time.
they're all twats, Reagan was made out to be the great tyrant and looks like a fkn hero compared with what we've had since, that's how bad it's got
 
they're all twats, Reagan was made out to be the great tyrant and looks like a fkn hero compared with what we've had since, that's how bad it's got
Reagan allowed the Christian Nationalists to get a foothold, and bears a lot of the blame for the situation we are currently in.

Carter is the only one in recent times that has any real credibility.
 
God help the poor bastards these days. I know some of them and they are ‘rudderless’. Makes me feel quite sad

I've got three boys- young men really of course - in their early 20s and them and their friends are very far from rudderless. They all seem far harder working and more focused than I ever was.
 
I've got three boys- young men really of course - in their early 20s and them and their friends are very far from rudderless. They all seem far harder working and more focused than I ever was.
Glad to hear it Blue, but they are not all like that. Count your blessings.
 

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