Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv - away fans banned | MTA confirm they will refuse any allocation for safety reasons (p26)

[The blue phantom]

I think it may have had nothing to do with Maccabi supporters inside the stadium, but of possible demonstrations by pro Palestinian groups turning up outside the ground en masse (or even inside too) and the potential for major disorder while 30,000 plus Villa fans are converging into the area too.

One question to ask is why are Russia and their clubs banned from European games but Israel and their clubs are not?

Why do you think?

 

[Brooklands Blue]

The justification of bannig of away by some on here due to the stupid behaviour at previous games by the Macabba fans is laughable. If that was the case England fans would be banned at every away game given their previous behaviour.

We all know why this decision has been taken by the Police. It is dreadful that foreign football supporters, of any race, religion or colour cannot come to the UK to watch a game of football.

I have a degree of sympathy for West Midlands Police as they have been clearly put under pressure by the local 'community' to ban the away supporters but that is reflective of how different groups are treated by the Police in the UK. Imagine the uproar if GMP decided to ban Turkish fans from our game with them in the champions league.

 

[East Level 2]

I think it may have had nothing to do with Maccabi supporters inside the stadium, but of possible demonstrations by pro Palestinian groups turning up outside the ground (or even inside too) and the potential for major disorder while 30,000 plus Villa fans are converging into the area too.

One question to ask is why are Russia and their clubs banned from European games but Israel and their clubs are not?

Possibly because Ukraine didn't attack a Russian music festival killing many Russians and taking many others as hostages.
Agree with the first part of your post though. It's not difficult to imagine Villa fans becoming frustrated by pro-Palestinian protests and additional security around Maccabi fans, and kicking off as a result.

 

[The blue phantom]

The justification of bannig of away by some on here due to the stupid behaviour at previous games by the Macabba fans is laughable. If that was the case England fans would be banned at every away game given their previous behaviour.

We all know why this decision has been taken by the Police. It is dreadful that foreign football supporters, of any race, religion or colour cannot come to the UK to watch a game of football.

I have a degree of sympathy for West Midlands Police as they have been clearly put under pressure by the local 'community' to ban the away supporters but that is reflective of how different groups are treated by the Police in the UK. Imagine the uproar if GMP decided to ban Turkish fans from our game with them in the champions league.

If thousands of them were walking down market street chanting Death to Jews and causing havoc I'd want the fuckers banned.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

All English teams were banned from European football for 5 years remember

And one for 6 years!

 

[Don Karleone]

They aren’t being banned because of that though. They’re being banned because the police can’t guarantee their safety - how can you be alright with that?

What about other Jewish fans? Other Jewish sports teams. Most of them aren’t violent hooligans are they. Intimidation and the threat of violence preventing people from attending football matches…

Calling people with perfectly reasonable opinions idiots, is pretty idiotic itself

From WMP


"West Midlands Police has a strong track record of successfully policing football matches and other high-risk public events.

We are committed to delivering fair and impartial policing, while balancing the public’s right to protest with our duty to ensure public safety.

Following a thorough assessment, we have classified the upcoming Aston Villa vs Maccabi Tel-Aviv fixture as high risk.

We have actively engaged with a wide range of local partners and community representatives in preparation for this fixture, and continue to participate in the Safety Advisory Group.

While the Safety Certificate is issued by Birmingham City Council, West Midlands Police supports the decision to prohibit away supporters from attending.

This decision is based on current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences that occurred during the 2024 UEFA Europa League match between Ajax and Maccabi Tel-Aviv in Amsterdam.

Based on our professional judgement, we believe this measure will help mitigate risks to public safety.

We remain steadfast in our support all affected communities, and reaffirm our zero-tolerance stance on hate crime in all its forms."


Nothing about being able to guarantee their safety, something related to what they did in Amsterdam.

 

[bluethrunthru]

What about fans in Manchester/ cheetham hill - should they not be able to attend?

attend where? If they are Villa fans or have tickets for the home section they are not barred.

 

[superwatsonwatson]

All English teams were banned from European football for 5 years remember

Not quite right. As soon as they saw nited beat Crystal Palace in the 1990 FA Cup final nited were allowed back in Europe.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Why do you think?

I don’t know which is why I asked and @East Level 2 came up with an answer

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I cannot think of any team competing in sports on an international stage that are organised based on religion.

Glasgow says “hello”

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

I think it may have had nothing to do with Maccabi supporters inside the stadium, but of possible demonstrations by pro Palestinian groups turning up outside the ground en masse (or even inside too) and the potential for major disorder while 30,000 plus Villa fans are converging into the area too.

One question to ask is why are Russia and their clubs banned from European games but Israel and their clubs are not?

Yep, i agree.

I put that question to a work colleague and his response was that one is an invasion and one is defending itself.
I’m not touching that with a 60ft bargepole.

 

[Snape]

Beg to differ. There were thousands of the racist cunts chanting this.

They are my second team, pleny of my relative were coming over to watch the game and spend time with us while they were here. Not THOUSANDS

 

[mexico1970]

Fuck me someone's pet subject has been fed with this thread.

 

[M18CTID]

The justification of bannig of away by some on here due to the stupid behaviour at previous games by the Macabba fans is laughable. If that was the case England fans would be banned at every away game given their previous behaviour.

We all know why this decision has been taken by the Police. It is dreadful that foreign football supporters, of any race, religion or colour cannot come to the UK to watch a game of football.

I have a degree of sympathy for West Midlands Police as they have been clearly put under pressure by the local 'community' to ban the away supporters but that is reflective of how different groups are treated by the Police in the UK. Imagine the uproar if GMP decided to ban Turkish fans from our game with them in the champions league.

Are you on fucking drugs or are you just being deliberately stupid? Plenty of fanbases have been banned from attending matches in European competitions down the years due to their past behaviour. Maccabi fans are renowned for being both violent and racist. That's not all of them of course but that's irrelevant. Not all CSKA Moscow fans were guilty of racism but UEFA banned them all from their own stadium against us (and banned our fans too!). Not all Eintracht Frankfurt fans were guilty of hooliganism but UEFA banned them all from Napoli's stadium. Not all City and Millwall fans were guilty of hooliganism but that didn't stop both sets of fans from being banned from our respective away fixtures against each other in 2001/02.

Maccabi fans have a very recent history of behaving like cunts on their European travels. Add in all the politics and anyone with half a brain cell can see that it was going to kick off if they weren't banned from this match. Whether that trouble was going to come from their side or from others having a pop at them is up for debate. My guess is it would be both.

 

[Indaparkside]

Beg to differ. There were thousands of the racist cunts chanting this.

Pity the escalators didn’t stop suddenly

 

[borassic]

Yep, i agree.

I put that question to a work colleague and his response was that one is an invasion and one is defending itself.
I’m not touching that with a 60ft bargepole.

I think a country can defend itself without committing a genocide but I digress.

Probably is still wrong to ban them for this reason they’ve given, even if “some” of them are violent ultra nationalist racist cunts.

I personally still think that if Russian teams are banned then Israeli teams should be too.

 

[IrishBloodEnglishHeart]

I think you have a habit of polluting this forum (particularly off-topic) with all sorts of nonsense. If you look closely as the prelude to it, there was a petition lead by the MP to ban them on political grounds and now all sorts of stereotypes are going to be made about the Birmingham region.

Well said mate. The guy is desperate for attention, constantly bringing religion and politics into every thread.

I hope they get the help they need, it must be stressful to constantly have that on the brain.

 

[bluejon]

They aren’t being banned because of that though. They’re being banned because the police can’t guarantee their safety - how can you be alright with that?

What about other Jewish fans? Other Jewish sports teams. Most of them aren’t violent hooligans are they. Intimidation and the threat of violence preventing people from attending football matches…

Calling people with perfectly reasonable opinions idiots, is pretty idiotic itself

They can't guarantee their safety because there is a really good chance the Tel Aviv fans will be acting like absolute cunts, winding the locals up and singing racist songs, and then will cry like fuck if anything happens back to them. They remind me a bit of a crowd from down the M62.

 

[Ric]

Does feel like the whole thing has been handled pretty badly, not helped by the clumsy interventions of Starmer and Badenoch. They should have just gone ahead with it, but perhaps given Maccabi a reduced allocation based on what happened in Amsterdam, and then policed it to fuck to prevent any major trouble on the night. It's now become a far bigger political issue than it should have been.

 

[Man-chester copperpot]

I think a country can defend itself without committing a genocide but I digress.

Probably is still wrong to ban them for this reason they’ve given, even if “some” of them are violent ultra nationalist racist cunts.

I personally still think that if Russian teams are banned then Israeli teams should be too.

I’m thinking out of the box here but you can’t please everyone…
Make the Israel supporters meet at a certain place and a police escort for the fans to and from the meeting point on coaches?

It happens in Champs league football, Burnely/Blackburn, Cardiff/Swansea, Portsmouth/Southampton