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Vic said:
It's addressed to the Tories / Reformers who attacked Lammy for doing it as if it had never happened before. You can't even say Lammy was deliberately misleading Parliament (qv Johnson) - frankly only an idiot would think Lammy's refusal to answer the question implied that he was saying it could never happen again.
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The simpler common sense answer to this scenario is that he should have just answered the question. He knew the night before about the Algerian chap. He wasn’t an asylum seeker so he could have answered the question. Meatshielding the behaviour of politicians on your side helps no one
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Roads need maintaining nonetheless
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Yes but its been decades since road tax was put to that problem alone - its swallowed up and put in general taxation and a proportion is doled out from Central Govt to the Highways Agency and local authorities. Apply 14 years of austerity and you get the roads and prisons your Govt thinks you deserve ( and prisons ) - its becoming clearer by the day why Sunak went to the polls early.
 
Vic said:
It's addressed to the Tories / Reformers who attacked Lammy for doing it as if it had never happened before. You can't even say Lammy was deliberately misleading Parliament (qv Johnson) - frankly only an idiot would think Lammy's refusal to answer the question implied that he was saying it could never happen again.
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Did they really say it had never happened before Vic? You are just playing the same game as each other and spinning your side. This is just the never ending circle of shite. You have the intelligence to get off the ride, you dont win anything for staying on.
It will come around again unfortunately when we have a govt not of your choice and they will just remind you of every Labour failing.

I mean how tragic is it that when 250 plus prisoners are being wrongly released we get yeah but the Tories released on average 50 a year and over 100 in their last year. That's tells me its getting worse. Can we just try and sort it please before someone ends up dead.

No one wins with this one.

Is this the level we are now at on here. Arguing which shit sandwich is bigger?
 
Ohrodneyrodney said:
You honestly think they are sorting it out? If you feel like you’ve been boiled already, get ready for the air fryer.
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I replied to a post saying it needs strong action. Your idea of "sorting it out" may be very different to mine or any body elses. The fact remains things need action on multiple fronts. What do you think the priorities should be? mine would be the gulf in wealth across the population, housing and utility prices (all of which I don't like but can cope with fortunately).
 
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Pingu the Penguin said:
The simpler common sense answer to this scenario is that he should have just answered the question. He knew the night before about the Algerian chap. He wasn’t an asylum seeker so he could have answered the question. Meatshielding the behaviour of politicians on your side helps no one
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So he answers, "No of course I cannot offer such an assurance that it could never happen again but that's why we've initiated a review into why it happened, so that we can make the processes more robust. You had 14 years to do that, and didn't".

Cartlidge now either has to persist with a supplementary about an issue that he's pretending not to know about, or he asks about something else. He's wasting the chance to ask about a different topic.

Personally I think Lammy should have answered, but any outrage that he didn't is misplaced. Maybe some posters here are too young to remember when terrorists were escaping from prison ...

 
Is it fair to say that general;ly people can see through the issues Labour are facing and can see 14 years of Tory fuck-uppery have left us in this state?

I mean I am seeing that said sometimes especially in relation to immigration and prisons, but is that aa general feeling ?

I know Labour bring their own issues and twattery btw.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Is it fair to say that general;ly people can see through the issues Labour are facing and can see 14 years of Tory fuck-uppery have left us in this state?

I mean I am seeing that said sometimes especially in relation to immigration and prisons, but is that aa general feeling ?

I know Labour bring their own issues and twattery btw.
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Absolutely.

For the first time in political history we have a government trying its very best and one that can not be blamed or held responsible for anything.

If taxes rise again this month then so be it. So long as we all realise it’s everyone’s else’s fault then it’s all good.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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I'd file this under stupidity than any Machevellian scheming.

Still, it's not a good look.
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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I suppose we’re all fortunate that we’ve got a PM in Starmer that can look at all of these breaches and declare them - with complete impartiality- to be entirely innocent mistakes, made in good faith and the result of nothing more than ministers being a bit naive and occasionally pretty busy.

I do recall Starmer saying when in opposition that he would take a zero tolerance approach to rule breaches and that he would fire anyone involved. But luckily the numerous rule breaches over the past year have all been different, at least with the ministers that he likes anyway, and so he hasn’t had to act on that promise.
 
Vic said:
So he answers, "No of course I cannot offer such an assurance that it could never happen again but that's why we've initiated a review into why it happened, so that we can make the processes more robust. You had 14 years to do that, and didn't".

Cartlidge now either has to persist with a supplementary about an issue that he's pretending not to know about, or he asks about something else. He's wasting the chance to ask about a different topic.

Personally I think Lammy should have answered, but any outrage that he didn't is misplaced. Maybe some posters here are too young to remember when terrorists were escaping from prison ...

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I remember that clip well. At least you have conceeded Lammy should have answered the question properly though.
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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Another letter of apology that Starmer has to deal with. He'll be getting used to it soon.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Why? Surely the net benefit is that you now have a driver who is not emitting CO2 on the roads?
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There needs to be a way of backfilling the lost income through reduced fuel duty revenue and people buying cars that are cheap / free to tax.

Revising the vehicle tax system to charge by the mile seems reasonable to me.
 
hilts said:
Did they really say it had never happened before Vic? You are just playing the same game as each other and spinning your side. This is just the never ending circle of shite. You have the intelligence to get off the ride, you dont win anything for staying on.
It will come around again unfortunately when we have a govt not of your choice and they will just remind you of every Labour failing.

I mean how tragic is it that when 250 plus prisoners are being wrongly released we get yeah but the Tories released on average 50 a year and over 100 in their last year. That's tells me its getting worse. Can we just try and sort it please before someone ends up dead.

No one wins with this one.

Is this the level we are now at on here. Arguing which shit sandwich is bigger?
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I didn't really say they said it had never happened before. But then Lammy didn't really mislead anyone by not answering the question.

You're just prolonging the false outrage.
 
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