The Labour Government

Is it fair to say that general;ly people can see through the issues Labour are facing and can see 14 years of Tory fuck-uppery have left us in this state?

I mean I am seeing that said sometimes especially in relation to immigration and prisons, but is that aa general feeling ?

I know Labour bring their own issues and twattery btw.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Is it fair to say that general;ly people can see through the issues Labour are facing and can see 14 years of Tory fuck-uppery have left us in this state?

I mean I am seeing that said sometimes especially in relation to immigration and prisons, but is that aa general feeling ?

I know Labour bring their own issues and twattery btw.
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Absolutely.

For the first time in political history we have a government trying its very best and one that can not be blamed or held responsible for anything.

If taxes rise again this month then so be it. So long as we all realise it’s everyone’s else’s fault then it’s all good.
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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I'd file this under stupidity than any Machevellian scheming.

Still, it's not a good look.
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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I suppose we’re all fortunate that we’ve got a PM in Starmer that can look at all of these breaches and declare them - with complete impartiality- to be entirely innocent mistakes, made in good faith and the result of nothing more than ministers being a bit naive and occasionally pretty busy.

I do recall Starmer saying when in opposition that he would take a zero tolerance approach to rule breaches and that he would fire anyone involved. But luckily the numerous rule breaches over the past year have all been different, at least with the ministers that he likes anyway, and so he hasn’t had to act on that promise.
 
Vic said:
So he answers, "No of course I cannot offer such an assurance that it could never happen again but that's why we've initiated a review into why it happened, so that we can make the processes more robust. You had 14 years to do that, and didn't".

Cartlidge now either has to persist with a supplementary about an issue that he's pretending not to know about, or he asks about something else. He's wasting the chance to ask about a different topic.

Personally I think Lammy should have answered, but any outrage that he didn't is misplaced. Maybe some posters here are too young to remember when terrorists were escaping from prison ...

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I remember that clip well. At least you have conceeded Lammy should have answered the question properly though.
 
Metal Biker said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwv0nr72pyo
Lisa Nandy, Minister for Sport, "unknowingly" breaking ministerial code by giving the top job for the new Football Regulator to the guy who funded her election campaign.

Good to see the adults in charge, even if they seem to not know a lot about the rules...
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Another letter of apology that Starmer has to deal with. He'll be getting used to it soon.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Why? Surely the net benefit is that you now have a driver who is not emitting CO2 on the roads?
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There needs to be a way of backfilling the lost income through reduced fuel duty revenue and people buying cars that are cheap / free to tax.

Revising the vehicle tax system to charge by the mile seems reasonable to me.
 
hilts said:
Did they really say it had never happened before Vic? You are just playing the same game as each other and spinning your side. This is just the never ending circle of shite. You have the intelligence to get off the ride, you dont win anything for staying on.
It will come around again unfortunately when we have a govt not of your choice and they will just remind you of every Labour failing.

I mean how tragic is it that when 250 plus prisoners are being wrongly released we get yeah but the Tories released on average 50 a year and over 100 in their last year. That's tells me its getting worse. Can we just try and sort it please before someone ends up dead.

No one wins with this one.

Is this the level we are now at on here. Arguing which shit sandwich is bigger?
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I didn't really say they said it had never happened before. But then Lammy didn't really mislead anyone by not answering the question.

You're just prolonging the false outrage.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Was looking for the kicking that it implied, reality is she said nothing of the sort.

BBC, chasing the clicks.
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So are Sky.

Making out there's a split in leadership and throwing in the 'resurgence of tribune'. Which are a blairite sector of the party. So not really revolutionary within the party.
 
what gets me about all this prison release stuff is that the system is all paper based. People working in silo's not in contact with other people in other offices - nothing being cross checked - few staff not knowing the prisoners and prisoners suddenly being told they are up for release and obviously accepting the news is just mad. Its 2025 ffs - from memory working in financial services we had computers installed we were getting computerised in the late 80's got laptops at the turn of the decade into the 90's - Govts of all shades have just let the service slide, its still in the 70's
 
Vic said:
I didn't really say they said it had never happened before. But then Lammy didn't really mislead anyone by not answering the question.

You're just prolonging the false outrage.
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Im not, I ain't outraged by Lammy and im beyond being surprised by politicians not answering questions.

I know my main point hit home because you can't attempt to bat it away with pedantry.
Let's see how long it takes for the next ' look over there post'
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Was looking for the kicking that it implied, reality is she said nothing of the sort.

BBC, chasing the clicks.
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Yep, the deputy PM, you know, the one he sacked from cabinet and didn’t endorse for the job but ended up with her as members gave him the 2 fingers is publicly calling for policy him and Reeves won’t deliver on.

Ex PM Gordon Brown doing the same this morning.

Yep, nothing to see.

One big happy family lol
 
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blueinsa said:
Yep, the deputy PM, you know, the one he sacked from cabinet and didn’t endorse for the job but ended up with her as members gave him the 2 fingers is publicly calling for policy him and Reeves won’t deliver on.

Ex PM Gordon Brown doing the same this morning.

Yep, nothing to see.

One big happy family lol
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Labour have never been, and never will be, one big happy family.
 
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