The Labour Government

[MellowJoe]

Let's speculate... Maybe they have surreptitiously relaxed the rules.. gone from triple checking to 1 checking, cos they need extra cells for people who post crass stuff on social media? That's what I've heard anyway.

 

[meltonblue]

Maybe he is but you’re burying your head in the sand again and avoiding the point he made… just saying.

Which point exactly do you think he was making that made it worthy of reposting on here? As there’s a couple of things in his post that clearly make it not worth any amplification at all and in fact worrying on the part of those that do, regardless of their politics.

 

[Saddleworth2]

How can you tell the truth to voters when the voters can't handle the truth?

Whilst that is true, I feel that politicians are not trying hard enough or communicating cleverly enough to allow folk to take sensible decisions. It’s too bloody easy to tell folk what they want to hear.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Let's speculate... Maybe they have surreptitiously relaxed the rules.. gone from triple checking to 1 checking, cos they need extra cells for people who post crass stuff on social media? That's what I've heard anyway.

Are you OK, do you need to talk?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Whilst that is true, I feel that politicians are not trying hard enough or communicating cleverly enough to allow folk to take sensible decisions. It’s too bloody easy to tell folk what they want to hear.

It’s interesting. All I’ve heard from Labour is that the country is in a shit state, so much that all the media have slated them for being so negative. They put stuff in place that will take time to change where we are, and then Reeves comes out and tells us all exactly where the country is, yet people still don’t hear it.

It’s always been like this where the media tell people what to think, and that gentle nudge from what is real and what people want to be real.

Scary thought that people didn’t understand that there was a black hole in the budget, the likes of Truss and Sunak made it so.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Well, certainly because of who was mistakenly released...

But the key question is why there's been a recent big increase - and so far as I can tell, no-one's come up with a reason why anything done under or by the present government might have caused the spike.

The current government because of the pressure on prison places decided early release with a sentence reduction has changed from 50% to 60% consequently it means 1,000 prisoners released and 1,000 new prisoners and asylum seekers in detention or due to be deported detained.

The government has created over two thousand extra terrorists which puts pressure on the police and justice system. They are yet to be convicted of terrorism if they are it will make the system breakdown altogether

 

[Saddleworth2]

It’s interesting. All I’ve heard from Labour is that the country is in a shit state, so much that all the media have slated them for being so negative. They put stuff in place that will take time to change where we are, and then Reeves comes out and tells us all exactly where the country is, yet people still don’t hear it.

It’s always been like this where the media tell people what to think, and that gentle nudge from what is real and what people want to be real.

Scary thought that people didn’t understand that there was a black hole in the budget, the likes of Truss and Sunak made it so.

In the manifesto and in media interviews with Reeves, Labour has made the following policy announcements:

• A promise not to "raise taxes on working people"

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

In the manifesto and in media interviews with Reeves, Labour has made the following policy announcements:

• A promise not to "raise taxes on working people"

My reply was in response to the communication question.

As for taxes, no idea what they will do. However, in my opinion, I’d like to see a full reform of taxes, not just fiddling at the edges. The country is in a total mess and we either accept it and move on, or want to change that and pay for it.

 

[Vic]

Are you OK, do you need to talk?

I think - I hope - it was a rather clever joke.

 

[Vic]

The current government because of the pressure on prison places decided early release with a sentence reduction has changed from 50% to 60% consequently it means 1,000 prisoners released and 1,000 new prisoners and asylum seekers in detention or due to be deported detained.

The government has created over two thousand extra terrorists which puts pressure on the police and justice system. They are yet to be convicted of terrorism if they are it will make the system breakdown altogether

Whatever you meant to say, it didn't work.

 

[mosssideblue]

The current government because of the pressure on prison places decided early release with a sentence reduction has changed from 50% to 60% consequently it means 1,000 prisoners released and 1,000 new prisoners and asylum seekers in detention or due to be deported detained.

The government has created over two thousand extra terrorists which puts pressure on the police and justice system. They are yet to be convicted of terrorism if they are it will make the system breakdown altogether

2000 extra terrorists???

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If they can do this it will go a long way to keeping out Reform.
I know these measures are not to everyone's taste but for me its about keeping the country together and stopping the (negative) issues that immigration in all its flavours is causing.

UK seeks inspiration from Denmark to shake up immigration system

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood is taking cues from some of the toughest migration laws in Europe.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Saddleworth2]

My reply was in response to the communication question.

As for taxes, no idea what they will do. However, in my opinion, I’d like to see a full reform of taxes, not just fiddling at the edges. The country is in a total mess and we either accept it and move on, or want to change that and pay for it.

I don’t believe anyone in politics at present has the capability to arrest the UKs decline. Certainly not the current Labour government, the Tories or Reform.

I would add that if the current strategy is to achieve confidence, investment and growth then constantly telling everyone what a shit show we are is an interesting way of encouraging that.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I don’t believe anyone in politics at present has the capability to arrest the UKs decline. Certainly not the current Labour government, the Tories or Reform.

There is a certain inevitability to it I feel.

Reeves is going to get pelters but the truth is we are in the shit as a nation and that’s been ingrained since Covid, and arguably austerity. It’s going to have to be painful.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If they can do this it will go a long way to keeping out Reform.
I know these measures are not to everyone's taste but for me its about keeping the country together and stopping the (negative) issues that immigration in all its flavours is causing.

UK seeks inspiration from Denmark to shake up immigration system

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood is taking cues from some of the toughest migration laws in Europe.

www.bbc.co.uk

Mahmood is an impressive person.

 

[Saddleworth2]

There is a certain inevitability to it I feel.

Reeves is going to get pelters but the truth is we are in the shit as a nation and that’s been ingrained since Covid, and arguably austerity. It’s going to have to be painful.

Austerity was the medicine that was supposed to cure the nations ills. This is going to be more of the same I fear.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I also think the ECHR probably needs looking at, in terms of immigration and asylum. It needs to adapt. It would be a fucking tragedy if we left it, and I hope lessons will be learnt from Brexit in Europe about EU intransigence (rightly or wrongly) being the catalyst for the Brexit referendum. I feel this would neutralise most of the voices who are calling for us to pull out.

This challenging situation is best managed in pan-European and collaborative way.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Mahmood is an impressive person.

She may well be but will she get support for similar rules from the Labour rank and file? I have been saying for years we could do worse than learn from the Scandinavian countries. They seem to be able to strike a good balance between socially fair policies, looking after their economies and applying common sense.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I don’t believe anyone in politics at present has the capability to arrest the UKs decline. Certainly not the current Labour government, the Tories or Reform.

I would add that if the current strategy is to achieve confidence, investment and growth then constantly telling everyone what a shit show we are is an interesting way of encouraging that.

And that’s where I see the narrative change, admitting to all who want to listen, that we have been in a period of decline and neglect and that tough decisions need to be taken.

For me, the recent narrative is welcome, giving understanding of where we are. And, as we’re in the Labour thread, they need to now stop blaming other parties and get on with the job in hand.

 

[Saddleworth2]

And that’s where I see the narrative change, admitting to all who want to listen, that we have been in a period of decline and neglect and that tough decisions need to be taken.

For me, the recent narrative is welcome, giving understanding of where we are. And, as we’re in the Labour thread, they need to now stop blaming other parties and get on with the job in hand.

I certainly agree with your last paragraph.