The Labour Government

Saddleworth2 said:
Don’t know if it would or wouldn’t now. Depends on the conditions. What I can say in full confidence is leaving had a detrimental impact on the UK economy. Didn’t it?
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Yes, the actual leaving process could have been handled better. Too many civil servants had, for too long, been happy to just sign off stuff agree by unelected people in Europe, instead of working for the good of the people of our nation state. Just my opinion and I don’t expect anyone to agree with me.
 
hilts said:
I've long been of the opinion that the job is too big for politicians and long serving civil servants
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Everything in the world has changed over the years or been modernised but the political system remains largely the same.

Point scoring to feather their own nests.

I would take all economic decisions off them.
 
Jimmieblue said:
Why do you automatically think of Musk! No I don’t mean him, I mean people from this country, with this country’s interests at the heart of all they do.
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I think a lot of successful business people would make terrible politicians. They can hire and fire people they don’t like ( provided they can pay assuming anyone actual had the courage to make an unfair dismissal claim ) this would cost the tax pay a fortune in public sector. They also probably don’t have any concept of wider benefits and savings for example of things breakfast clubs. They are also probably use to giving contract to their mates and contacts again there could be be better providers out there.
 
Jimmieblue said:
Yes, the actual leaving process could have been handled better. Too many civil servants had, for too long, been happy to just sign off stuff agree by unelected people in Europe, instead of working for the good of the people of our nation state. Just my opinion and I don’t expect anyone to agree with me.
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And that statement proves the people should never have had the vote in the first place
 
Jimmieblue said:
Why do you automatically think of Musk! No I don’t mean him, I mean people from this country, with this country’s interests at the heart of all they do.
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Are these the ones that when threatened with a bit more tax love the country so much they bugger off or live in the likes of Monaco? Many are quite happy to make their money here, often at the expense of paying crap wages and the state effectively susidising their staff and then grizzle over an extra 1-2% tax. Unfortunately there are very few business leaders who have the country at the heart of everything they do especially when their profits may be affected.
 
hampshireblue said:
I don't own a business. I'm a tax payer from my personal pension and don't get my state pension for another 3 years. There is no government policy that has, as yet, made me worse off, and that will be the case for the vast majority of people on here and the electorate in general.

The country was well into a decline before July 2024, and like an oil tanker, will take time to arrest that slide and eventually turn it around.

If we are still having a "no improvement" conversation in 3 years' time, I'll admit I was wrong. But of course, one person's improvement may well be at a cost to others.

We, as a nation, need to decide who is going to take that pain when inevitable benefit cuts are made or tax rises are imposed: the very poor, diasbled, the very rich, pensioners, working people.. because as I see it, all of those groups are untouchable for various different reasons and they make up 99.999% of the population.
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WRicko said:
So more good stuff doesn’t matter and I isn’t an improvement if it existed under the last lot ?

Some shit like that seems to me breakfast clubs are actual a key to fixing a lot of what’s wrong.

Help in education, help cost of living, help parents work more hours help the economy.
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They already existed was my point and folk on here bang on about it like it’s something brand new, as do Labour politicians.

My post wasn’t an assessment of the benefits or drawbacks.

Unemployment up
Inflation up
Cost of living up

All three of these will have some consequence from the increase in NI.

In the credit column Interest rates down but that’s by the independ BoE and I can’t see a single government policy that has facilitated that.

People are feeling poorer and tax increases will only add to that. Folk won’t be spending on Christmas now because they don’t know how badly the budget is going to affect them and businesses will underperform this year who have higher operating costs.

All the while Labour appear more concerned with fighting with Reform about an election in over 3 years time than having a plan to fix the economy which underpins growth and public services. Yes they inherited a rough hand but they wanted this job, so how about they do it?
 
hampshireblue said:
Are these the ones that when threatened with a bit more tax love the country so much they bugger off or live in the likes of Monaco? Many are quite happy to make their money here, often at the expense of paying crap wages and the state effectively susidising their staff and then grizzle over an extra 1-2% tax. Unfortunately there are very few business leaders who have the country at the heart of everything they do especially when their profits may be affected.
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So don’t tax them. They are business people as you say. Make them an offer to invest in public projects in return for a long term payout - PFI but not with punitive rates and embedded costs. When faced with a choice of losing 2% of their wealth or investing and getting their money back they’ll opt for the latter. The projects can be anything, from building something to investing in our net zero programme.

A thriving economy is in everyone’s interests, including the super wealthy.
 
metalblue said:
So don’t tax them. They are business people as you say. Make them an offer to invest in public projects in return for a long term payout - PFI but not with punitive rates and embedded costs. When faced with a choice of losing 2% of their wealth or investing and getting their money back they’ll opt for the latter. The projects can be anything, from building something to investing in our net zero programme.

A thriving economy is in everyone’s interests, including the super wealthy.
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Whilst I quite like the idea of some form of minimum investment buy in into public services, the fact is most public projects are not about making money and therefore creating a return. Anybody employing a substantial workforce has real skin in the game making sure that public services, transport, education, child care, etc. work properly because if they don't, they will suffer indirectly as the workforce has to contend with the underfunded services. Surely contributing a bit more to try to ensure workers, on which they rely, don't take so much time for various reasons is a win win?
 
hampshireblue said:
Are these the ones that when threatened with a bit more tax love the country so much they bugger off or live in the likes of Monaco? Many are quite happy to make their money here, often at the expense of paying crap wages and the state effectively susidising their staff and then grizzle over an extra 1-2% tax. Unfortunately there are very few business leaders who have the country at the heart of everything they do especially when their profits may be affected.
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So are you relying on the same old same old … there are always going to be people who are rich through inherited or self made money. They want to look after it, naturally. People can gripe all they want but this will always be the case. You are either a communist or a free market believer. The in between doesn’t really work because people get greedy.
 
metalblue said:
They already existed was my point and folk on here bang on about it like it’s something brand new, as do Labour politicians.

My post wasn’t an assessment of the benefits or drawbacks.

Unemployment up
Inflation up
Cost of living up

All three of these will have some consequence from the increase in NI.

In the credit column Interest rates down but that’s by the independ BoE and I can’t see a single government policy that has facilitated that.

People are feeling poorer and tax increases will only add to that. Folk won’t be spending on Christmas now because they don’t know how badly the budget is going to affect them and businesses will underperform this year who have higher operating costs.

All the while Labour appear more concerned with fighting with Reform about an election in over 3 years time than having a plan to fix the economy which underpins growth and public services. Yes they inherited a rough hand but they wanted this job, so how about they do it?
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And some is due to minimum wage increase, retailers increasing profit margins, external factors.

If tax does go up a bit, I'd like to see it offset at the bottom levels of income by a reduction in NI.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Everything in the world has changed over the years or been modernised but the political system remains largely the same.

Point scoring to feather their own nests.

I would take all economic decisions off them.
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That’s all politics seems to be from the politicians and the staunch voters of each party:

‘Yeah but your party did this ner ner ner ner ner’…‘I don’t care your party did that ner ner ner ner ner’… ‘yeah but, my point was better so I win’… ‘no it wasn’t, I win’…

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metalblue said:
They already existed was my point and folk on here bang on about it like it’s something brand new, as do Labour politicians.

My post wasn’t an assessment of the benefits or drawbacks.

Unemployment up
Inflation up
Cost of living up

All three of these will have some consequence from the increase in NI.

In the credit column Interest rates down but that’s by the independ BoE and I can’t see a single government policy that has facilitated that.

People are feeling poorer and tax increases will only add to that. Folk won’t be spending on Christmas now because they don’t know how badly the budget is going to affect them and businesses will underperform this year who have higher operating costs.

All the while Labour appear more concerned with fighting with Reform about an election in over 3 years time than having a plan to fix the economy which underpins growth and public services. Yes they inherited a rough hand but they wanted this job, so how about they do it?
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So you accept they are a good thing and we know for a fact there are now more of them

In response to your assessment on the positive side we have breakfast clubs, more appointments in NHS, record investment, private and public, more NHS spending, deportations up, hotels in use down, planning reform, transport improvements
 
WRicko said:
I think a lot of successful business people would make terrible politicians. They can hire and fire people they don’t like ( provided they can pay assuming anyone actual had the courage to make an unfair dismissal claim ) this would cost the tax pay a fortune in public sector. They also probably don’t have any concept of wider benefits and savings for example of things breakfast clubs. They are also probably use to giving contract to their mates and contacts again there could be be better providers out there.
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And politicians don’t give contracts to their mates? Come on. There are good business people as well as politicians, they have children and elderly parents so know about the value of breakfast clubs and elderly care and looking after disabled people. They just don’t get into politics because it’s lost its status in the eyes of the public. Too much corruption from local government to Westminster and they can earn a living without being in the limelight.
 
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