The Labour Government

[west didsblue]

No idea how much it would cost but I'd nationalise the utilities because they are ripping off the public. Still make profits but not ridiculous one's, then invest the yearly profits into public services, such as the NHS, public transport, and the Police.

Is it feasible? If not why not?

The problem is that every penny of profit needs to be invested in the services they provide but instead they pay huge dividends and end up getting government funding for essential repairs and improvements which means they’re forced to overcharge in order to pay interest on loans and the services don’t get any better. Nationalisation would cost the country an absolute fortune and the shareholders would be the only beneficiaries. We need a government that’s brave enough to mandate that the companies spend their profits on improvements.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I feel Labours problems may lie in the courtroom but we shall see.

Ive convinced myself that its an ''overstretch'' so that they can lose some cases / votes and still implement some laws that the public will be happy with and will actually have an impact.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Stands up and applauds

If they don’t take action on migration = ‘they’re spineless and don’t have a clue, we want our country back’’

If they do take action of migration = All because of Reform proposals.

 

[Blackley_Blue]

You know it’s bad when the speaker calls it the Hokey Cokey budget

But...but...but the press made it up...

 

[hilts]

If they don’t take action on migration = ‘they’re spineless and don’t have a clue, we want our country back’’

If they do take action of migration = All because of Reform proposals.

If people want action on immigration/asylum they dont like brown folk say Labour supporters on here.

If labour do try and do something about it then they also dont like bro...... sorry are dealing with the problem that wasn't much of a problem.

Im sure the polls/flags/protests had no influence on the Govt at all.

After all you guys wouldnt vote for a party that panders to racists would you.

Hypocrisy everywhere.

 

[blueinsa]

If people want action on immigration/asylum they dont like brown folk say Labour supporters on here.

If labour do try and do something about it then they also dont like bro...... sorry are dealing with the problem that wasn't much of a problem.

Im sure the polls/flags/protests had no influence on the Govt at all.

After all you guys wouldnt vote for a party that panders to racists would you.

Hypocrisy everywhere.

If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Put them up in hotels ...... '' they dont deserve this... too posh , too much money!! ''

Put them up in Army Barracks ... '' dont want them here ... they will change the community!!''


Truth is ... they don't want them anywhere ......unless they're white.


I f@cking dispair .... the only thing Im not hearing is .... lets stop bombing them or selling the weapons to people who do bomb them .

 

[hilts]

If it wasn’t so sad it would be funny.

People really should know by now to debate the issue not the opposing side or poster. You will come a cropper quite often otherwise.
If one finds themselves continually disagreeing with a party or person all the time then they are acting in bad faith.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If people want action on immigration/asylum they dont like brown folk say Labour supporters on here.

If labour do try and do something about it then they also dont like bro...... sorry are dealing with the problem that wasn't much of a problem.

Im sure the polls/flags/protests had no influence on the Govt at all.

After all you guys wouldnt vote for a party that panders to racists would you.

Hypocrisy everywhere.

I’ve always advocated that immigration and especially illegal migrants is a big problem which needs sorting, The Tories had 14 years to sort the issue out and Brexit also increased the crossings. Labour have come in for absolute tidal wave of abuse for not fixing the issue in a year - now they’re proposing stronger much needed measures without leaving the ECHR, calling for mass deportation and using the Navy which the extreme fraction demand. I’m very happy with this Labour government- they are the most sensible centre party we have at the moment and they are successfully implementing new policies all the time. This being one of them hopefully.

 

[hilts]

I’ve always advocated that immigration and especially illegal migrants is a big problem which needs sorting, The Tories had 14 years to sort the issue out and Brexit also increased the crossings. Labour have come in for absolute tidal wave of abuse for not fixing the issue in a year - now they’re proposing stronger much needed measures without leaving the ECHR, calling for mass deportation and using the Navy which the extreme fraction demand.

1) It wasn't happening to this extent 14 years ago

2) The Tories were also getting grief for it and were trying to fight off Reform hence the Rwanda scheme, let's not rewrite history here.

3) I didn't mention you by name just replying to your post. You will be aware of the type of poster im referring to. Its been discussed endlessly on here for what seems like forever. Saying illegal immigrants is a big problem like you just did wouldn't be met wirh niceties by a fair few on here.

They are now looking a bit silly unless they call out the Labour Party for it.
Im sure they're just on holiday or something and will be along any day now:-)

 

[hilts]

Put them up in hotels ...... '' they dont deserve this... too posh , too much money!! ''

Put them up in Army Barracks ... '' dont want them here ... they will change the community!!''


Truth is ... they don't want them anywhere ......unless they're white.


I f@cking dispair .... the only thing Im not hearing is .... lets stop bombing them or selling the weapons to people who do bomb them .

Be careful that last bit might make you a terrorist sympathiser nowadays.

It was a scathing post on the current labour cabinet though:-)

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

1) It wasn't happening to this extent 14 years ago

2) The Tories were also getting grief for it and were trying to fight off Reform hence the Rwanda scheme, let's not rewrite history here.

3) I didn't mention you by name just replying to your post. You will be aware of the type of poster im referring to. Its been discussed endlessly on here for what seems like forever. Saying illegal immigrants is a big problem like you just did wouldn't be met wirh niceties by a fair few on here.

They are now looking a bit silly unless they call out the Labour Party for it.
Im sure they're just on holiday or something and will be along any day now:-)

That bit gets me. I mean that was a bollocks policy, never going to get traction. But Labour (I dont mind who sorts it as long as its not Reform, too amateur, too divisive) have changed meaningful things, policies, brought in simple rules, looked around for how others deal with it and are getting on with it from what I see.

It feels like the conservatives didnt do anything like that, like they just threw their weight around this Rwanda thing. Made it a big and loud policy rather than tackling the issue fundamentally.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Like Maga.

Reform voters are only bothered about triggering anyone they see as a lefty.

They won't give a toss that labour have placated Nigel. It's all about making people they don't like crying so they can feel less emasculated.

 

[hilts]

That bit gets me. I mean that was a bollocks policy, never going to get traction. But Labour (I dont mind who sorts it as long as its not Reform, too amateur, too divisive) have changed meaningful things, policies, brought in simple rules, looked around for how others deal with it and are getting on with it from what I see.

It feels like the conservatives didnt do anything like that, like they just threw their weight around this Rwanda thing. Made it a big and loud policy rather than tackling the issue fundamentally.

They were spectacularly useless that lot.

 

[TinFoilHat]

But...but...but the press made it up...

Guido Fawkes is as impartial as a Scouser on a jury.

 

[moomba]

What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.

 

[abu13]

What we need to do in order to stop illegal immigrants is to dig a 20 mile wide trench all around Britain and fill it with cold water, cant believe nobody has thought of it before.

 

[blueparrot]

What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.

Something like Stephen Flynn, from a while ago but this how we should be confronting thr Reform agenda, not appeasing it.

 

[Palerider]

Cunningham really was awful last night, wasn't she? A hair's breadth a couple of times from indisputable racism.
Not sure Polanski offered an alternative plan.
No sign of Conservative/LibDems/SNP on the show for their opinion.

This morning, Zia Yusuf was repeating the same points when he was interviewed on BBC Breakfast, although Nugent did try pulling him up for avoiding the question. Yusuf was awfully sneery.
No sign of Conservative/LibDems/SNP on the show for their opinion.

Then a BBC hack (Zeffman, maybe?) actually saying what you put above - that a number of Labour MPs don't like the idea, but are aware that their constituents do want something done.
Without making a comment on the policy, that seems to me to be how MPs need to think.

I think Reform and the Greens are both being called "Populists" and you can see why. I will not be voting for either. I'm more into how they make those spreadsheets add up. As my old shop steward used to say "Asda do not take good intentions or bullshit they want you to pay with cash".

It's possible but far from certain that will be the case. I suspect the dent it makes in Reforms numbers will be limited because we're at the point where people aren't planning to vote for Reform based on the policy options available to them and I include even immigration in that. My fear is that introducing the policies Mahmood is talking about will do little to nothing to impact the real issues people are having, at which point the populists will continue to flourish.

Unless and until Labour focus on a narrative that convinces people they are on their side and are not in the business of managed decline for the vast majority then they will struggle. They've made exactly the same mistake the Tories previously made, they allowed themselves to be dragged into a fight they cannot win instead of defining the battle in other terms. I understand why because trying to fix the mess we're in against the forces that are ranged against them seems impossible but they need to do something to signal they have the stomach for the fight or they will become increasingly irrelevant.

Reform live and die on Nigel Farage. That's a single point of failure and history suggests that single points of failure usually do fail...eventually.

I cannot see how any Government we elect can make 'ends meet' with so many not contributing to society despite having the means to do so. I know it's boring and jobsworth but if the sums do not add up then you are heading for disaster. I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post, we need to get people off benefits, we need everyone to contribute and at least try to pay their way. That's basic communism and basic capitalism combined!

They may well benefit, but if it was me I'd rather lose than govern as a cheap imitation of Nigel Farage.

It would be like being desperate for a derby ticket, and finally getting one but only if you wear a rag shirt and and sing why dont City fuck off home.

Tories are closer to their natural habitat (although I didnt expect them to be described as relatively sane any time soon) but if I was a true labour voter I'd be pretty disgusted with the party right now.

Jeremy Corbyn is a nice guy, useless, but nice. He's protested all his life and stood on street corners shouting and protesting for all that he believes in every weekend. What has he achieved? Fuck all. A wasted life spent gazing at his own arsehole convincing himself that he alone was morally pure. You need to be in power to enable real change and that means winning elections.

 

[metalblue]

Like Maga.

Reform voters are only bothered about triggering anyone they see as a lefty.

They won't give a toss that labour have placated Nigel. It's all about making people they don't like crying so they can feel less emasculated.

Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.