The Labour Government

metalblue said:
Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.
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Not sure they really do from reform tbh, Labour actually need them going into the next election fairly strong, that’s going to be their best chance.

I don’t think they’ll get much back from reform no matter what they do anyway.
 
moomba said:
What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.
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Yeah this is my problem with yesterday's announcement. Not the actual plan, most of those steps seem reasonable, but the rhetoric around the announcement and their obvious, futile, appeal to the right wing xenophobes.
 
metalblue said:
Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.
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Anyone who voted Labour and planned to switch to reform because the asylum crisis and economy wasn't fixed in 11 months into a 5 year term (a) was probably not a Labour voter so much as an anti-tory voter and (b) Isn't going to come back because of this. They'll just side with reform on the next wedge issue, and again for the next 4 years.
 
blueinsa said:
“We need cheap labour”

That’s the argument being made by him and those like him.
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No, it isn’t, but we do need a young workforce paying taxes to keep and care for an aging population without immigration there won’t be one.. unless you are making people have babies, explain how. Cowering to Reform and their like making their rhetoric acceptable,isn’t what our politicians should be doing. I have lost any respect or hope I had for this labour government.
 
blueparrot said:
No, it isn’t, but we do need a young workforce paying taxes to keep and care for an aging population without immigration there won’t be one.. unless you are making people have babies, explain how. Cowering to Reform and their like making their rhetoric acceptable,isn’t what our politicians should be doing. I have lost any respect or hope I had for this labour government.
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It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
 
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blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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It doesn't matter how many times the folly of this argument is exposed, someone will bring it up. But but but we need growth forever.
It really is groundhog day this place.
 
domalino said:
Yeah this is my problem with yesterday's announcement. Not the actual plan, most of those steps seem reasonable, but the rhetoric around the announcement and their obvious, futile, appeal to the right wing xenophobes.
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It’s the rhetoric that doesn’t sit well with me either. Going back to Starmer’s “island of strangers” comment. There’s no need to come out with stuff like that.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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It's an absolute ponzi scheme.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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It doesn’t have to be cheap labour, no reason the wage for immigrants can’t be the same as anyone else in fact it should be. You still haven’t offered a solution to where the workers come from if the population is aging. Okay if you say it’s not immigration thats an opinion but then who? What’s your plan.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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The larger the population, the greater the decline in public services.
 
moomba said:
The larger the population the more people producing goods and services and paying tax that pays for those services.

Not to mention that larger population staffing a lot of those essential services like the NHS.
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Waiting times for operation's and getting seen if you are unlucky enough to have to go to A&E are far worse than they used to be. So yes I've seen a big decline in public services. They haven't kept pace with the population growth.
 
Is no-one else raising even an eyebrow at Shabana "my religion is the most Important thing in my life" Mahmood, our Muslim home secretary announcing potential visa restrictions on Angola, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Namibia - all of which are Christian countries and from none of which are there many illegal immigrants.

Whereas she made no such anouncements relating to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria etc from which we have tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. And coincidentally these happen to be Muslim countries?

Nothing to see here? I'm sure it's just coincidence.
 
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