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What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.
 
What we need to do in order to stop illegal immigrants is to dig a 20 mile wide trench all around Britain and fill it with cold water, cant believe nobody has thought of it before.
 
moomba said:
What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.
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Something like Stephen Flynn, from a while ago but this how we should be confronting thr Reform agenda, not appeasing it.




 
MillionMilesAway said:
Cunningham really was awful last night, wasn't she? A hair's breadth a couple of times from indisputable racism.
Not sure Polanski offered an alternative plan.
No sign of Conservative/LibDems/SNP on the show for their opinion.

This morning, Zia Yusuf was repeating the same points when he was interviewed on BBC Breakfast, although Nugent did try pulling him up for avoiding the question. Yusuf was awfully sneery.
No sign of Conservative/LibDems/SNP on the show for their opinion.

Then a BBC hack (Zeffman, maybe?) actually saying what you put above - that a number of Labour MPs don't like the idea, but are aware that their constituents do want something done.
Without making a comment on the policy, that seems to me to be how MPs need to think.
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I think Reform and the Greens are both being called "Populists" and you can see why. I will not be voting for either. I'm more into how they make those spreadsheets add up. As my old shop steward used to say "Asda do not take good intentions or bullshit they want you to pay with cash".


threespires said:
It's possible but far from certain that will be the case. I suspect the dent it makes in Reforms numbers will be limited because we're at the point where people aren't planning to vote for Reform based on the policy options available to them and I include even immigration in that. My fear is that introducing the policies Mahmood is talking about will do little to nothing to impact the real issues people are having, at which point the populists will continue to flourish.

Unless and until Labour focus on a narrative that convinces people they are on their side and are not in the business of managed decline for the vast majority then they will struggle. They've made exactly the same mistake the Tories previously made, they allowed themselves to be dragged into a fight they cannot win instead of defining the battle in other terms. I understand why because trying to fix the mess we're in against the forces that are ranged against them seems impossible but they need to do something to signal they have the stomach for the fight or they will become increasingly irrelevant.
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Reform live and die on Nigel Farage. That's a single point of failure and history suggests that single points of failure usually do fail...eventually.

I cannot see how any Government we elect can make 'ends meet' with so many not contributing to society despite having the means to do so. I know it's boring and jobsworth but if the sums do not add up then you are heading for disaster. I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post, we need to get people off benefits, we need everyone to contribute and at least try to pay their way. That's basic communism and basic capitalism combined!



moomba said:
They may well benefit, but if it was me I'd rather lose than govern as a cheap imitation of Nigel Farage.

It would be like being desperate for a derby ticket, and finally getting one but only if you wear a rag shirt and and sing why dont City fuck off home.

Tories are closer to their natural habitat (although I didnt expect them to be described as relatively sane any time soon) but if I was a true labour voter I'd be pretty disgusted with the party right now.
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Jeremy Corbyn is a nice guy, useless, but nice. He's protested all his life and stood on street corners shouting and protesting for all that he believes in every weekend. What has he achieved? Fuck all. A wasted life spent gazing at his own arsehole convincing himself that he alone was morally pure. You need to be in power to enable real change and that means winning elections.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Like Maga.

Reform voters are only bothered about triggering anyone they see as a lefty.

They won't give a toss that labour have placated Nigel. It's all about making people they don't like crying so they can feel less emasculated.
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Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.
 
metalblue said:
Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.
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Not sure they really do from reform tbh, Labour actually need them going into the next election fairly strong, that’s going to be their best chance.

I don’t think they’ll get much back from reform no matter what they do anyway.
 
moomba said:
What I'd like to hear from labour is some talk of the positive impact immigration has on the country. Id like them to reaffirm that immigration isn't the reason for all of the problems in the country and doesn't actually have an impact on many of these problems.

I'd like them to commit to a programme of humanitarian assistance for migrants, and yes that means taking our fair share of asylum seekers.

Id also like to hear them talk about meaningful, realistic pathways to citizenship for migrants and I'd like to hear their thoughts on what can be done to ensure the migrant community can be even more productive and positive members of our society. And no, that doesn't mean by leaving.

When that happens I'll praise Labour. Until then, their rhetoric and demeanour on immigration isn't much better than Reform and the Tories.
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Yeah this is my problem with yesterday's announcement. Not the actual plan, most of those steps seem reasonable, but the rhetoric around the announcement and their obvious, futile, appeal to the right wing xenophobes.
 
metalblue said:
Except there is a significant number of people who voted Labour in the last election wound vote for reform if there was an election today.

Labour are worried not because they see reform taking votes from the tories but because they need their voters back from reform, greens and the Lib Dem’s.
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Anyone who voted Labour and planned to switch to reform because the asylum crisis and economy wasn't fixed in 11 months into a 5 year term (a) was probably not a Labour voter so much as an anti-tory voter and (b) Isn't going to come back because of this. They'll just side with reform on the next wedge issue, and again for the next 4 years.
 
blueinsa said:
“We need cheap labour”

That’s the argument being made by him and those like him.
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No, it isn’t, but we do need a young workforce paying taxes to keep and care for an aging population without immigration there won’t be one.. unless you are making people have babies, explain how. Cowering to Reform and their like making their rhetoric acceptable,isn’t what our politicians should be doing. I have lost any respect or hope I had for this labour government.
 
blueparrot said:
No, it isn’t, but we do need a young workforce paying taxes to keep and care for an aging population without immigration there won’t be one.. unless you are making people have babies, explain how. Cowering to Reform and their like making their rhetoric acceptable,isn’t what our politicians should be doing. I have lost any respect or hope I had for this labour government.
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It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
 
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blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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It doesn't matter how many times the folly of this argument is exposed, someone will bring it up. But but but we need growth forever.
It really is groundhog day this place.
 
domalino said:
Yeah this is my problem with yesterday's announcement. Not the actual plan, most of those steps seem reasonable, but the rhetoric around the announcement and their obvious, futile, appeal to the right wing xenophobes.
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It’s the rhetoric that doesn’t sit well with me either. Going back to Starmer’s “island of strangers” comment. There’s no need to come out with stuff like that.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s a never ending cycle and an argument that makes no sense.

We have more pensioners because we are living longer. Immigration is the answer yet no one thinks they too will grow old and add to the pensioner numbers so then what? Even more immigration?

Nearly 70 million now and it’s not enough? 75/80/85? How many is enough to satisfy the needs and as I keep asking, how does this economy or our services cope with such numbers?

Business wants cheap labour and doesn’t care where it comes from and politicians up until now have been happy to facilitate it.
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It's an absolute ponzi scheme.
 
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