The other thing about that is I recall at least 4 incidents where Joelinton does exactly that yet he doesn't get booked until late on, and even then only after Bobb had been booked for his first offence just a few minutes after coming in for a tackle that was no worse than any other in the match.With the foden schar one, later on in the game joelinton cleaned one of our players out after the ball had gone and the play gets pulled back , there is no difference in the offences in fact in 99% of slide tackles where the player is caught the ball is gone otherwise theyd have got the ball.
Its cheating in plain sight and everyone knows it.
Why do you feel the need to see what everybody else thinks before making your statement? Your opinion is your opinion, not a statement to be altered and updated dependent on what anybody else says.With this one I have plenty of "help" but yes I do plan on giving my take. But what I'm really trying to do is to listen to the opinions of fellow Blues, in both good times and bad to see what how everyone is interpreting these situations. In this case, I don't think I have to convince anyone about anything as it pertains to the City incidents. When VAR goes against City, it sort of takes care of itself to an extent. But it is also easier for me to fit in when I do comment. This is also stemming from the discussion over the Jamaica vs Curacao incident this has now overshadowed. But in any event, yes I am hugely concerned at what happened with City but in this case I think it is wise to get a sense of what the community thinks about what happened before I give my take. Another element of this is a lot to digest here, with many factors that went into these incidents. Particularly the imaging issues make this very hard to make sense of. How they would be trying to re-create what happened in a video game environment at all would seem to be misguided. With everything involving VAR, I just see this as completely delusional as far as what they've tried to do, and continue to try to do with VAR, and it keeps failing repeatedly, and all this is infuriating to the fans.
Joelinton is like caicedo he is a clogger who should get sent off in every game but gets away with murder. The ref and var were both cheats today and theres no other way around it.The other thing about that is I recall at least 4 incidents where Joelinton does exactly that yet he doesn't get booked until late on, and even then only after Bobb had been booked for his first offence just a few minutes after coming in for a tackle that was no worse than any other in the match.
I'm all for refs keeping their cards in their pocket and not dishing out cards early on, but you can't do that for 22 players on the pitch then change your rules for one who has just come on.
Well there were some unusual situations in this match so I was reading some of the reactions before commenting.Why do you feel the need to see what everybody else thinks before making your statement? Your opinion is your opinion, not a statement to be altered and updated dependent on what anybody else says.
You don't have to simplify it. For the offside - it's very marginal. I really struggle to give a strong opinion on this. I have no clue if he was offsides or not. Too close to be sure and I have no confidence in the accuracy of the VAR video game imaging.Typically obtuse diatribe. I asked for your opinion on 2 incidents and you don't answer the question, despite your very firm, oft repeated, view on the Van Dick non-goal.
I'll simplify the questions:
Foden challenge - Penalty? Yes or no?
Doku handball - Penalty? Yes or no?
I thought that handball wasn't far off either.I'll give them that ofside goal but that ankle breaker in foden was a penalty
I think I pretty much agree with your assessment. At the time the consensus was that the foul wasn't given because Foden had already taken a shot. But as you say, that shouldn't matter and doesn't anywhere else on the pitch. It could have hit the post or the keeper saves it, and come back out to Foden who would have been unable to challenge for the ball due to being fouled. It was a nasty challenge too, late and on the ankle, good case for a yellow.You don't have to simplify it. For the offside - it's very marginal. I really struggle to give a strong opinion on this. I have no clue if he was offsides or not. Too close to be sure and I have no confidence in the accuracy of the VAR video game imaging.
The Foden challenge for me looked like a penalty. I mean, he missed the ball completely and took him out. I hear a lot about whether or not the challenge was reckless, or that the foul was after the ball was kicked out, should it matter? He missed the ball and fouled the player.
As for the handball, well it was shot straight at him, he had no time to react, he wasn't making himself bigger I don't think, his arms braced for impact. I would say not a handball here, simply because the ball was shot directly at him and he had no time to avoid it.
I'd say City was unfortunate to have all 3 of these decisions go against them. You would expect at least one of those to go City's way. But we're big boys, we don't cry when VAR decisions don't go our way. However, we do need to discuss these and understand what happened.
The problem with players of his ilk, is that their reputation for their style of play affords them a higher level of leniency from the refs. It's a form of sub conscious bias and it's wrong.Joelinton is like caicedo he is a clogger who should get sent off in every game but gets away with murder. The ref and var were both cheats today and theres no other way around it.
What concerns me is these are supposed to be professional with the best tech at their disposal, there to sort out "clear and obvious" errors and yet after taking all that time and with all that tech and supposedly, expertise, they can't get it right? They can't see what millions of people watching can see?I think I pretty much agree with your assessment. At the time the consensus was that the foul wasn't given because Foden had already taken a shot. But as you say, that shouldn't matter and doesn't anywhere else on the pitch. It could have hit the post or the keeper saves it, and come back out to Foden who would have been unable to challenge for the ball due to being fouled. It was a nasty challenge too, late and on the ankle, good case for a yellow.
The offside does annoy me though, if the graphics are to be believed. The frame they took for determining offside was arguably not the right one, or doctored, and they've measured from the shirt sleeve which is not the rule. If the measure from the armpit, as per the wording of the rule, then it's offside.
Game had gone now and no point in being a morning Liverpool fan over it, but I would just like to know via the official channels why it wasn't a foul and why they measured from the shirt sleeve. I imagine human error, but I suspect also a heavy dose of unconscious bias after the crying coming out of anfield in our last game.
Sorry but I don't think anybody believes VAR, we see bad decisions like this every weekend now thanks (mostly) to VAR.Their 2nd was offside and imo that var automatic thing was wrong, its supposed to give a very quick decision, it wasnt it took maybe 8 minutes, and again imo they altered it,ruben wasnt as close to the 6 yard box, problem with VAR all the people believe it ,well after last night something was wrong with that decision , load of wank, dont think the handball was a penalty his arms were too close ,however that is whats wrong with the handball rule at the moment , and the foul on Phil was a stonewall penalty , it was a pretty bad foul, bent as fuck last night.
We did cause ourselves problems and we threw away a chance of 3 points against a poor team(poor at the moment) they were there for the taking, an early goal would of seen them fold
Pretty annoyed with a lot of things last night.
What it tells me is that they can ignore and manipulate with impunity when it's not certain clubs.
Feels like a closed shop. They hold the facts and can change those facts to what they want.
I'm not being funny but if Diaz would have scored with that part of his arm it would have been disallowed. How on earth can they draw the line from there?!?I'm usually a defender of the technology, and I'm not at all saying we deserved to win - I think the result is probably about fair... but... Something has quite obviously fucked up with the offside technology there. Dias in the virtual offside graphic image has both feet off the ground. In reality, he was literally stood... not jumping. That makes him look further to the right than he is because of the parallax in the image. Imagine he's not in the air but instead "further away"... then he's nowhere near the 6 yard line.
I know the image is just a visual representation of the decision system, but if the graphic is so obviously fucked up then how can we have any confidence in the system?
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been saying it for ages its the lack of transparency which will always leave it open to the accusations, if webb was remotely bothered about fair refereeing he would make it open to everybody to hear exactly what was going on, the fact that after this many years not only do they refuse to do so, they have gone a step further with this semi automated nonsense which is wildly open to manipulation just shows that it VAR is just another tool to manipulate the outcomes of games and further the endemic corruption that exists within the support.And we are not allowed to hear the discussion live on tv. Sometimes it released when they have had time to tamper with it.
4 major incidents they got wrong in one game.
been saying it for ages its the lack of transparency which will always leave it open to the accusations, if webb was remotely bothered about fair refereeing he would make it open to everybody to hear exactly what was going on, the fact that after this many years not only do they refuse to do so, they have gone a step further with this semi automated nonsense which is wildly open to manipulation just shows that it VAR is just another tool to manipulate the outcomes of games and further the endemic corruption that exists within the support.
Its quite simple webb, if you and your cohorts have nothing to hide and are the professionals that you claim to be and are paid to be then make it transparent.
Tonali was allowed to niggle throughout,you could see Nico G and Bernados frustration.Whatever happened to a card for persistent following where everybody but Scholes got one ?The other thing about that is I recall at least 4 incidents where Joelinton does exactly that yet he doesn't get booked until late on, and even then only after Bobb had been booked for his first offence just a few minutes after coming in for a tackle that was no worse than any other in the match.
I'm all for refs keeping their cards in their pocket and not dishing out cards early on, but you can't do that for 22 players on the pitch then change your rules for one who has just come on.