VAR Discussion Thread | 2024/25

Anyone spouting that there is a conspiracy against us is silly.
The problem is VAR is unfit for purpose and they are getting decisions wrong at games across the league weekly

The biggest cop out is the ‘clear and onvious error’ bollocks. Who decides whether it was a clear and obvious error? Another human being!!! Where is the line drawn? Its ridiculous.
It either IS! Or it ISNT! There shouldnt be a blurred decision making process.

Take yesterday, thats a foul on Foden. It was late, studs up, straight leg. So what if the balls gone. That just shows how late it was.
As regards to the offside, it looked it! The AI image looked suspicious, but thats all we have to go on.
Then theres the hand ball, i can see why it wasnt given, they were close to his body, but without him blocking it with his arms its probably getting deflected off his chest and ends up who knows where.
But again, we have a situation where someone is having to make a decision and that decision and opinion could differ game to game.
Should be back to ANY handball in the area is handball and a pen.

Football authorities tie themselves in knots on decisions that should be black and white but they introduce blurred lines where somebody has to make that callz

In a multi billion pound industry its a fuckin mess
Once again it isnt var, its the people using it, technology is only as good as the people who use it and its the refs that are the problem, there is zero accountability for them, they cock up over and over and over again and they are not made to explain their decisions nor held accountable when they get it wrong.

Take the offside decision out of it as however that image was generated is a farce and we definitely need to have a clearer picture of how these images are made up, what camera angles are used etc etc but thats by the by. if TWO referees dont think a 2 foot off the floor challenge which catches the player is a foul then they should immediately be struck off from the next 3 matches, similar to players when they do something stupid, these arent subjective decisions its just simply not applying the laws of the game and if the refs cant do that then they are of no use whatsoever.
 
How difficult could it be for them to use actual freeze frame pictures with added in lines to show offside? With the quality of image available today it should and probably is not difficult at all, why they insist on using graphics from a 1980s zx spectrum is baffling
 
Once again it isnt var, its the people using it, technology is only as good as the people who use it and its the refs that are the problem, there is zero accountability for them, they cock up over and over and over again and they are not made to explain their decisions nor held accountable when they get it wrong.

Take the offside decision out of it as however that image was generated is a farce and we definitely need to have a clearer picture of how these images are made up, what camera angles are used etc etc but thats by the by. if TWO referees dont think a 2 foot off the floor challenge which catches the player is a foul then they should immediately be struck off from the next 3 matches, similar to players when they do something stupid, these arent subjective decisions its just simply not applying the laws of the game and if the refs cant do that then they are of no use whatsoever.

When i refer to VAR i dont defer to tye technology on its own, its the whole mess pf ref, tech, goons sat in a box looking at a screen

i think the whole VAR concept is the worst thing thats happened to football.
The big hope was that it would stop certain teams getting big decisions, its gone the other way.

There is just too much grey.
Take the forest goal yesterday. For me, thats offside. They could make these decisions so much easier by , say, making the law if the ‘offside’ occurs in the area, within the posts, its offside. Thats just an example.

But instead we have this , “is or isnt he interfering with play”.


As i say, theyve created a mess
 
How difficult could it be for them to use actual freeze frame pictures with added in lines to show offside? With the quality of image available today it should and probably is not difficult at all, why they insist on using graphics from a 1980s zx spectrum is baffling

It should be there for all to see. Make them backward twats at old toilet and anfield have screens (whys it only them without?), the first frame should be when the ball was struck, so that cannot be manipulated, followed by the daft lines. We in the stadium see it, can hear the comms between ref and var, and we all know.
Just like rugby and cricket

Our game is so much worse off for it
 
Where's the woke West Ham fan been since our game?
He was having a right go on here previously defending VAR (yet again).
I know he's probably on the politics thread with his chums ganging up on someone who doesn't share their views
For once he's used his brain and stayed away. He is the only poster I have ever reported. He is an out and out wum. Perhaps he's even been worded by a mod to stay away.
Nobody should tag him in asking for a comment.
He shouldn't be allowed on this thread..... but he is, fortunately not this weekend.
 
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For once he's used his brain and stayed away. He is the only poster I have ever reported. He is an out and out wum. Perhaps he's even been worded by a mod to stay away.
Nobody should tag him in asking for a comment.
He shouldn't be allowed on this thread..... but he is, fortunately not at this weekend.
He's a bot
 
How have the PL and pigmob ended up in this mess ?
They are so desperate to show they are honest they continually invent ways to show it and yet they continually back fire.

Var, semi automated, quicker, better more accurate and yet they produce a graphic that looks like a 3 year old is playing with photoshop.

Everything the PL and Pigmob do is amateurish, whether it's the 115 charges (grass too long) or Var. English Football is now a multi billion pound product but it is run by people that would not last 2 minutes in the business world.
In any other industry Var would be laughed off by a regulator.
 
Where's the woke West Ham fan been since our game?
He was having a right go on here previously defending VAR (yet again).
I know he's probably on the politics thread with his chums ganging up on someone who doesn't share their views

The issue isn’t VAR, it’s the bullshit implementation of it that’s the issue.

The PL have allowed technology that should have made the game fairer and more transparent to have the opposite effect.

By adding all these shite layers of thresholds of intervention and not wanting to re ref the game, they added even more inconsistency to the sport.

We’ve also got a manager who’s either too nice or shit scared of calling it out. It’s already cost us a cup final and seems to be getting worse.

I find it staggering how the official explanation from VAR for the Foden penalty challenge was that there was “not enough contact”. It’s even worse that this wasn’t publicly challenged by someone connected to the club.

This isn’t about going down the petty route of Liverpool and demanding an apology. This is about holding the officials to account for their words and actions.
 
So has any of these experts explained how Dias arm has played him inside when you can’t use the arm for offside calls yet? It’s a simple law, Shirley the officials know that, if they don’t they are incompetent and shoukd be sacked.
 
Personally I think it was pay back. They were to scared to award City anything after the on slaught from the dippers, press and media regarding the dippers off side last week.

That means the game is 100% bent and controlled by the press/media.

For pen the foul on Foden was a clear penalty and a red card. Later both feet of the ground clearly dangerous play.

Second shout the play puts his arms in front of his chest and turns towards the ball almost catching the ball. Clear penalty.

Third Dias pulled to the floor by the defender holding him around the neck. Again Clear penalty and the refs have been ordered to clamp down on this. Clear penalty.

Winning goal the bloking heading across is holding down Nunes and using him to get higher. Foul. The player then heads against the bar, clearly off side. The images are released of Dias jumping which he didn't. Where did that image come from ? Also from the stills the Newcastle players is about 6 inches off side.

Now one fuck up by var in a game is normal but 4 ?

I think the var team and on field officials were under orders to screw City as pay back for the dippers. Unless someone can prove I'm wrong this 'game' was influenced by the dippers moaning and the press/media backing the dippers.

It fucking stinks

And not one bit of criticism so in a game where you are rewarded not for being but not being criticised the commentators, pundits & journalists are running the game.
 
When i refer to VAR i dont defer to tye technology on its own, its the whole mess pf ref, tech, goons sat in a box looking at a screen

i think the whole VAR concept is the worst thing thats happened to football.
The big hope was that it would stop certain teams getting big decisions, its gone the other way.

There is just too much grey.
Take the forest goal yesterday. For me, thats offside. They could make these decisions so much easier by , say, making the law if the ‘offside’ occurs in the area, within the posts, its offside. Thats just an example.

But instead we have this , “is or isnt he interfering with play”.


As i say, theyve created a mess
Yeah,agree the Forest goal was offside but they evened it up by disallowing the chest control and subsequent volley, as if theyve realised their cock up.
 
The fact of yesterday's abysmal decisions does not surprise me in the least.

This VAR system (ie the tool, the people, the process etc) is and always has been a tool used to control the outcome of games within the general ebb and flow of a season. Manchester City were not winning that game yesterday.

The penalties, the lack of bookings for multiple and persistent transgressions and, worst of all, the embarrassing graphic generated to try to make a shamefully poor offside decision look OK.

My only question regarding yesterday is "why".
 
Evening up shouldnt happen either
Exactly!

Shearer asserted that City could have no complaints yesterday after Liverpool's goal being disallowed the other week.

That's a professional pundit spouting amateurish bollocks as VAR was introduced essentially to bring consistency and accuracy whilst simultaneously removing the notion that wrong decisions would somehow "balance out"
 
Exactly!

Shearer asserted that City could have no complaints yesterday after Liverpool's goal being disallowed the other week.

That's a professional pundit spouting amateurish bollocks as VAR was introduced essentially to bring consistency and accuracy whilst simultaneously removing the notion that wrong decisions would somehow "balance out"
If I wanted to listen to a biased opinion I'd be tuning into Barcodes TV . Clear and obvious from Shearer.
 
Meanwhile at another stadium we see a perfectly good second goal for Forest chalked off for handball . Referee initially disallowed it and VAR review agreed . Can't have LiVARpool going behind to two goals at Anfield .....that worked out well .


And Forest's first goal was reported on the BBC as " identical " to the VVD disallowed goal against us , even though the Forest player didn't need to move / duck at all as the ball passed him , unlike Robertson who was directly in the line of the header .
 
Not sure how that Leeds goal stood either - Nmecha offside. Maybe we'll get the levelling up decisions against them next week - ha ha. More likely they'll be allowed to kick fuck out of us for 90 mins
 
VAR Replay Operators

I’m really sorry for the long post but I’m still fuming after yesterday’s match. Please bear with me and my apologies if this has been discussed at length before.

I think referees do what referees have always done. Some are good and some are bad but I don’t think they are corrupt. Sometimes they are out of their depth and in today’s game are reliant on the opinion of other referees (VAR) who are also good and bad.

However, what isn’t the game we love is the growing manipulation of the outcome by technical individuals who aren’t on the pitch, aren’t referees and of whom we supporters know very little and whose allegiances and motivations are kept from us.

I’m talking about the full-time technicians, known as "Replay Operators", who manage the VAR technology and produce the specific images/angles used by VAR. How many of them are there? Exactly how are they appointed? Where are they based? Are any of them football supporters and if so do they declare allegiances? Do they regularly assist the same referees? How long before a match are they appointed? Who exactly manages them and what Performance Indicators do they have to achieve? How many of them have been sacked or disciplined for errors and how would this be done etc etc?

Taken from the internet is the following:

“ Role of a Replay Operator

The Replay Operators (ROs) work in the Video Operation Room (VOR) alongside the VAR and Assistant VARs (AVARs). Their responsibilities are highly technical and include:

  • Operating the VAR system: They use specialised replay systems (e.g., Hawk-Eye's SMART replay) to access and control all available broadcast camera feeds.
  • Providing optimal angles: At the direction of the VAR team, they quickly select and provide the best camera angles and replay speeds (slow motion for point of contact, full speed for intensity) to assist with decision-making for reviewable incidents (goals, penalties, red cards, mistaken identity).
  • System setup and monitoring: They are responsible for the pre-match setup, conducting thorough system checks, and monitoring hardware and software performance during the match to troubleshoot any issues.
  • Communication support: They assist in ensuring seamless communication between the various AVARs and the on-field referee during a review process.
Employment as a replay operator is a professional, full-time career path, often involving working weekends and holidays in a high-pressure live broadcast environment. “

“How are they appointed?

The process for appointing Replay Operators is separate from the match officials:
  • Employer: Replay Operators are typically employed by the sports technology companies, such as Hawk-Eye Innovations Ltd, which provide the VAR technology for a specific league or competition.
  • Recruitment Process: Candidates usually go through a standard job application process that includes CV submission, one-way video interviews, and an assessment event.
  • Qualifications: While a keen interest in football is preferred, the essential qualifications are primarily technical and soft skills, not refereeing experience. Key requirements include:
    • Strong technical grounding and problem-solving skills.
    • Ability to work in a high-pressure, live broadcast environment.
    • Excellent communication and attentive listening skills.
    • Flexibility to work weekends and bank holidays and a willingness to travel.
  • Match Allocation: Once hired and trained, their specific appointments to matches are managed by their employer in coordination with the relevant football governing body (e.g., PGMOL for the Premier League). “
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Yesterday’s Incidents were so odd and in relation to the offside, if you’ve seen the relevant images, it is really difficult to conclude anything other than the wrong images were shown to us to ‘prove’ Guimaraes was onside. Dias wasn’t in the air and the line was incorrectly drawn from part of his arm and not his armpit as per the laws of the game.

To be generous, perhaps a decision was honestly but incorrectly made in Newcastle’s favour and then shock-horror a realisation that the pictures didn’t support the decision. Why else would such a comical misrepresentation of the incident be shown as proof?

To be less generous, perhaps some of these technical non-referees have conscious or unconscious bias for and against certain teams and in the extreme are also perhaps highly susceptible to bribery from unscrupulous individuals who may have put a great deal of money on a particular outcome. Of course I’m not stating this is the case but when a footballer can be accused of match fixing, it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a person who is likely to earn a fraction of what a pro-footballer will earn, could be tempted.

I might be talking nonsense - but I for one would like to know a bit more about these people as the job description and how they are appointed leaves me with more questions than answers. These relatively low paid techies have the ability to have such a huge impact on our beautiful game and this can’t be right.
 

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