Referees' Performances | 2025/26

It's a good effort. ;)
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This is for determining handball but they're supposed to use the same guidelines for determining offside. The offside rules state that offside should be measured from the parts of the body that are legally allowed to be used to score from, so in practice the offside line should be drawn from the closest part of the green area of the defender to the goal.
 
After having a sleep to calm down a bit, I think I have decided that the referee allowing the persistent, cynical, dangerous fouling by Newcastle players bothers me more than the offside goal.

It was offside—and I think Donnarumma was fouled in the build up—but at least that decision was genuinely tight. The outcome gives the impression of manipulation to get a desired result, but that was only possible because it was so close to begin with.

But the blatant “cycle of kicking” on Cherki, the repeated holds and late challenges to prevent promising counters, and the cynical fouling (barges, stamps, elbows, and the studs up challenge on Phil in the box) weren’t “close” decisions. They were obvious, conscious choices not to adequately protect or players and punish players for violating the laws of the game.

And the ref didn’t even call all the actual fouls. He gave “advantages” several times that were anything but, and let a few fairly obvious fouls go for reasons that are only known to him. I think they really got one yellow for likely ~18 fouls, whilst we got a yellow for every 2.66 fouls. That screams intention.

Seeing Cherki kicked out of the game (and Haaland constantly bear hugged with little consequence) was infuriating and I am fairly sure it was the main topic of Pep’s visit to the official’s dressing room.

VAR getting the tight offside call wrong is one thing, but watching the officials (including VAR) ignore (arguably even encourage) Newcastle’s anti-football tactics over and over and over again was absolutely infuriating. I can feel my blood pressure rising just thinking about it right now (maybe because I was often on the end of it during my more humble playing days).

Oh, and I think the pull back of Doku in full stride as he was running into the box was as much a penalty as Schar’s ankle breaker on Phil.

One bad decision in a game can happen. Two bad decisions can be mistakes. Three bad decisions can be incompetence.

But four or more bad decisions, in the era of VAR?

That stretches credibility.
Anthony red nose Taylor tried exactly the same tactics a couple of weeks ago at the Etihad until we went a couple of goals up and he just gave up. Refereeing in general is absolutely awful even with the technology an VAR they get blatantly obvious decisions so wrong and what makes it worst is Skysports dedicate a full show to justify there shocking performance
 
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This is for determining handball but they're supposed to use the same guidelines for determining offside. The offside rules state that offside should be measured from the parts of the body that are legally allowed to be used to score from, so in practice the offside line should be drawn from the closest part of the green area of the defender to the goal.
Yep and looking again at the automated one, it does look like they’ve done that if you keep the line going up. I just don’t think they’ve used the right frame.

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The way VAR is being used is not fit for purpose and is open to abuse. The VAR system should be fully AI controlled. That would give the correct decision instantly. For example on offsides AI could use the timelines to compare the two frames at the moment the ball is played and the positions of the relevant players involved. The two frames should be displayed from a view across the pitch and NOT the slanted views we get now which are open to manipulation. The technology is available now. I guess we know why it is not being used.
 
WTF was the ref doing in our match against Newcastle? Clear and obvious fouls - both by Newcastle and us - were not carded.

Even so, a P/L winning side should have coped. We are, IMO, far from a side favorite to win the P/L.

2nd in the P/L is a possibility - because nearly every good side is struggling.

But winning the P/L... overtaking, somehow, Arsenal... is fantasy.
 
Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. People laugh when I mention it but I'm convinced there's some kind of corruption.

Think it was the premier league chief exec who talked publicly in 2019 (I think) about wanting a more competitive league and a wider variety of teams to be able to win it... VAR was introduced the season after.

Fortunately, our level was so good that the odd decision here and there didn't really affect us over the course of a season. Now our level has dropped, it'll cost us a lot more.

How can they explain how decisions have become WORSE since the introduction of VAR?


By producing stats that show it’s got better
 
After having a sleep to calm down a bit, I think I have decided that the referee allowing the persistent, cynical, dangerous fouling by Newcastle players bothers me more than the offside goal.

It was offside—and I think Donnarumma was fouled in the build up—but at least that decision was genuinely tight. The outcome gives the impression of manipulation to get a desired result, but that was only possible because it was so close to begin with.

But the blatant “cycle of kicking” on Cherki, the repeated holds and late challenges to prevent promising counters, and the cynical fouling (barges, stamps, elbows, and the studs up challenge on Phil in the box) weren’t “close” decisions. They were obvious, conscious choices not to adequately protect or players and punish players for violating the laws of the game.

And the ref didn’t even call all the actual fouls. He gave “advantages” several times that were anything but, and let a few fairly obvious fouls go for reasons that are only known to him. I think they really got one yellow for likely ~18 fouls, whilst we got a yellow for every 2.66 fouls. That screams intention.

Seeing Cherki kicked out of the game (and Haaland constantly bear hugged with little consequence) was infuriating and I am fairly sure it was the main topic of Pep’s visit to the official’s dressing room.

VAR getting the tight offside call wrong is one thing, but watching the officials (including VAR) ignore (arguably even encourage) Newcastle’s anti-football tactics over and over and over again was absolutely infuriating. I can feel my blood pressure rising just thinking about it right now (maybe because I was often on the end of it during my more humble playing days).

Oh, and I think the pull back of Doku in full stride as he was running into the box was as much a penalty as Schar’s ankle breaker on Phil.

One bad decision in a game can happen. Two bad decisions can be mistakes. Three bad decisions can be incompetence.

But four or more bad decisions, in the era of VAR?

That stretches credibility.
Good post . Do you think it ties in with the "back to old school blood and thunder football" that seems to be fashionable this season ? Certainly the referees seem to be letting more go than in previous years . A game like yesterday would have been stop/ start/ booking /stop /start/ booking/ stop/ start/ someone loosing/ retaliation / booking a couple of seasons back . Yesterday there were a number of fouls that "advantage " was played , presumably to keep the game moving . I swear if Foden didn't have such quick feet he would have been injured by one of those lumpish tackles . At times I thought he was a nimble as a boxer with a skipping rope .
 
Yep and looking again at the automated one, it does look like they’ve done that if you keep the line going up. I just don’t think they’ve used the right frame.

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They've drawn the line on the Newcastle players foot. Then choose a frame where he looks onside.

In that clip we can't see the exact moment the ball was played.

So easy to manipulate.
 
Good post . Do you think it ties in with the "back to old school blood and thunder football" that seems to be fashionable this season ? Certainly the referees seem to be letting more go than in previous years . A game like yesterday would have been stop/ start/ booking /stop /start/ booking/ stop/ start/ someone loosing/ retaliation / booking a couple of seasons back . Yesterday there were a number of fouls that "advantage " was played , presumably to keep the game moving . I swear if Foden didn't have such quick feet he would have been injured by one of those lumpish tackles . At times I thought he was a nimble as a boxer with a skipping rope .

Well not when you consider the foul Bobb was booked for.
 
Well not when you consider the foul Bobb was booked for.
I think he had a brain fart and thought he'd better make the stats look as if we played dirty . I thought Tonali was going for the Individual Gold in diving the number of rolls he executed on the wet Newcastle turf .
 

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