City fan suffers broken leg after being attacked at Leeds game

ysmsa said:
A lot of effort gone into that brilliant.

It's a bit early and I'm not "interupting my Cheerios" to read it all ;-)

A couple of things though,

I think it's more to do with people and society.

You can basically watch every game from home these days, if you know how.

A lot of people now won't do fuck all, they can't even be arsed going out for a takeaway, they get it delivered.

But as long as there are those "super shit big Clubs" taking fans from everyone else then the rest will always have to fight to attract and retain fans.

Munich are hated in Gernany by everyone who doesnt support them. A lot of their support will be from outside Munich.

The same with Rags and Dippers. Wankers traveling to support a team they have no affiliation to when they could easy support their home town team.

The fact of the matter is we are getting well over 50k about 25 times a season.

I bet we have played the most games for an English side over the last 10 years or so.

These wankers of other Clubs who call out a few empty seats at the Etihad probably attend about 2 cup games a season and nothing at Wembley.

We need to address the ticketing though, fuck off a lot of the restrictions.
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We are not going to get over 62,000 for more than 3 or more games a year.
 
This has been brewing all season. I sit in 93:20 and must be in a different part as I didn’t see any of this yesterday. However I have seen Utd LFC and Everton fans in 93:20 this season.

The problem is that because it’s a quiet part of the ground - the stewards are mainly middle aged men and women not used to dealing with any trouble. If it kicks off they don’t know what to do.

Hope the bloke beaten up is ok - but I have even bigger sympathy with any blues that helped intervene and are now probably looking at a 3 year ban and losing their season ticket (and never get it back).

There should be zero tolerance - any away supporters identified should be immediately removed. It’s a shame for away fans that may behave but this will keen on happening if it’s not sorted.
 
.db. said:
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

‘My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

‘We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

‘I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even out out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
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I took the trouble to read all of that, given the huge amount of time you took to write it. I’m glad I did, you hit so many nails on the head. So much passion lost from the club, due to neglect by the club. Well said pal
 
pride in battle said:
Do you go to games ? If you do why bother ?
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I gave up my season ticket a couple of years ago after more than 60 years attending.

Like a lot of other older / traditional fans, I wised up. It's not our club anymore. I'll always be a Blue, but there's no way I'm ever putting another penny into their pockets.
 
BringBackSwales said:
You under estimate the number of tourists and away fans mate
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Indeed,this was probably the plan for the new stand get more tourists in money money money ..football is moving on or at least the premier league is,rife with tourists who seem to be the number 1 target now of clubs,the diehard fans are an inconvenience..
 
deano ou812 said:
Indeed,this was probably the plan for the new stand get more tourists in money money money ..football is moving on or at least the premier league is,rife with tourists who seem to be the number 1 target now of clubs,the diehard fans are an inconvenience..
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Let's say for arguments sake that the club was managing to shift that amount of tickets without special promotions or spamming members just imagine how hard they would try to fleece the legacy match goer out of their cash?

Some fans will say thanks for bringing success to the club.

Others would say (Quite rightly) that if we can't witness that success after waiting all these years for it then what's the point?
 
.db. said:
From about the closest 50 friends and family I know in Manchester, most of them are football fans of either City or United, and about 41 of them don’t go to the Etihad or Old Trafford.

It feels like the culture of going to the game has changed massively in this city, almost disappeared.

I know 6 City ST holders and 3 United ST holders out of around 50 of my closest f&fs. Two decades ago, of that group, more than half of that 50 of us were ST holders at City. Many were die-hard home+away, when we were shit, Blues.

For both the 2011 FA Cup semi and final, we filled a coach with just mates without having to advertise it anywhere. We even had to let some know we were full and they’d have to find another way down, such was the demand.

In recent years, there have been semis where I’ve gone down on my own on National Express because nobody else I knew was going. There have been finals where we’ve not been able to book a minibus because we couldn’t get the numbers and a handful of us have been able to go in one car.

This is probably similar for many groups of friends+family across Manchester. We have become a conurbation of arcmchair supporters, with most football fans in this city watching at home because going to the ground isn’t on the cards for people.

How has this been allowed to happen? How can the club have done this to our support?

We were known as the most loyal supporters in the country. Anywhere you went, up and down the country, holidays abroad, as soon as we said we were City fans we got immediate respect because of the way we were viewed as a set of fans. Now we are ridiculed for being shit fans, it’s almost embarrassing to admit you’re a City fan due to the lack of respect we have as a fanbase these days.

Our fanbase should have been sacrosanct to the club, it should have been the #1 thing the club should have looked after and cherished because it was a bigger asset to the club than anything else.

Mansour’s early doors Mission Statement to fans made me feel like we wouldn’t go down the United route of having a fanbase with no identity, just a worldwide bunch of nobodies. I thought that we were going to keep our identity and we’d be looked after.

A few things Mansour said (if it was really him who wrote it and not just some publicist):

‘My request to [Al Mubarak] has been to put together a board and executive team that is worthy of the heritage and potential of Manchester City’.

‘…we will absolutely spend time listening to you the fans about what you think about the future of the club. We are very aware that without you there would not be a club to buy, and your voice will be heard by the organisation at the highest level’.

‘We are aware also that the club has a significant role in the community going back years. As newcomers, we don’t pretend to understand all of this yet, but we will make sincere efforts to back these initiatives and ensure that Manchester City loses none of its role in Manchester beyond football and we want the club to continue to contribute to the community it represents’.

‘I am a football fan, and I hope that you will soon see that I am now also a Manchester City fan. But I am also a long-term investor and that is probably more important to the club and to you because it means we are here for the long haul and that we will act always in the best interests of the club and all of its stakeholders, but especially you the fans’.

Ha!

You’re having a fucking laugh, pretty much none of that has happened!

The latchers-on to City’s success were inevitable, of course. However, the total lack of remembering the ‘heritage’ of City, spending time listening to fans, being aware that without us there’d be no club, being active in all parts of our conurbation, having ticketing initiatives for local fans to enhance the importance of Manchester and Mancunians… was not inevitable. It was the opposite of what the Mission Statement said.

Entering the European Super League, releasing statements by Joel Glazer, not saying anything to back up City fans after Istanbul (not even to the fans, never mind UEFA), and, of course, pricing out fans whether by constantly putting season ticket prices up or having unrealistic matchticket prices for a predominantly working class Manchester fanbase… is not showing that they will act ‘always in the best interests of…especially you the fans’.

They haven’t done anything differently than United. We’ve just become ‘Man U’ in Blue. United’s match going fanbase of a load of latchers-on while the locals are priced out and forgotten about but with sky blue branding.

The German clubs have highlighted that the way Premier League clubs operate is not needed. Bayern have recently smashed their record revenue figures, and they didn’t do it by pricing out their core support and making their worldwide fanbase a priority.

Even Liverpool have ticketing initiatives for people with an ‘L’ post code and their child Premier League matchday tickets are £9 in all stands other than the new Anfield Road tier.

Mansour’s words there have been proven to mean absolutely fuck all. Mancunian City fans are not important to this club. The Manchester name means nothing anymore. We might as well be called Moon City FC and play our games around the world like Forumla 1 takes each race around the world.

They’ve run this club with only the interests of creating a faceless passionless worldwide fanbase. You see it with the trophy tours they put on whenever we win anything; these trophies are never seen in Wythenshawe, Altrincham, Stockport… if we’re lucky we’ve had one afternoon with them in the city centre store before they go on trips around the world for months on end. I’ve not seen a City presence in Wythenshawe in any way shape or form for fucking ages! You wouldn’t know City existed in Wythenshawe if you didn’t have a smartphone, tablet or laptop… and I bet that’s the case for many areas around our conurbation.

This strive for worldwide fans has lead to what’s going on in the stands and incidents like this yesterday. The constant increasing of ticket tout partners and number of tickets around the stadium where any Tom, Dick or Harry can purchase tickets in the City home ends (despite City’s own Ts&Cs stating that away fans cannot purchase tickets in the home stands… I know this because I’ve read them to the club over the phone when complaining about away fans in the home stands!) whether they’re City fans, daytrippers, neutrals or rabid supporters of the away team have seen many incidents flare up over recent years: Arsenal fans getting a pasting the other year because they goaded Blues in our own seats when Califiori scored, our biggest rivals United and Liverpool fans openly supporting their team even wearing colours without a care in the world, Liverpool fan getting a twatted in the South Stand last season…

A City fan got a pasting yesterday, but I’m telling you now something serious is going to happen soon. Someone is going to get seriously hurt in our ground, or worse! All the ingredients are there and all it takes is a bad fall after a scuffle and someone has permanent damage or could die. And it is all on the club and their ticketing initiatives. There are far too many away fans buying tickets in the home stands and hospitality sections. There should be none! as per their own Ts&Cs. The club will blame fans, ban fans, even put out a statement condemning fans’ behaviour and will even release photos to the MEN of City fans… but it’ll be their fault!

And all this will just alienate even more proper core Blues who will get to a point of having enough of it all and will stop going to games.
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Very nicely constructed - both your response and the op.
I didn't renew my ST after the Istanbul final, there were plenty of reasons which I've mentioned before in other threads.
Chief amongst them I'm afraid was the soaring cost involved, but the loss of our "identity" also played a huge part. I finally got sick of having away fans constantly sat around where I was, and having tourists at most of our away games when it used to be died in the wool blues only when we were shit.
Words mean nothing without action - and the measures taken by the club in the last 5 or so years will bite them in the ass at some point in the not to distant future.
 
Lavinda Past said:
The scouse pot thrower says hello...

There's little or no chance of anything being done other than City fans being banned for trying to help.
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Yes I suppose what should happen and what will happen are 2 different things unfortunately. Hope the fella was set up on is okay.
 
I was told one of the reasons and possibly to the owners the most important reason is that by having a stadium which holds 62,000 they are now able to host a champions league final.

I've not looked into if that is absolutely the case regarding the capacity but that's what I was told by someone at the club.
 
jrb said:
We said this was going to happen sooner or later.

Soriano(especially), Danny Wilson, and the other directors have a lot to answer for. But they are tone deaf, and they couldn’t give a fuck about the fans. All they are bothered about is increasing match day revenues by any means they can.

Their disgusting ticket policies that they’ve introduced season after season are putting City fans at harm, and are stopping genuine City fans from buying tickets.

Next season will be a fucking nightmare with 1000’s of unsold seats, and away fans all over the ground.

Sheikh Mansour and Khaldoon have to step again and find out what is going on, and make drastic changes to how tickets are sold at City. And that means fucking off City’s 9 official ticket touting partners for starters.
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They need to limit the areas of the ground that these partners can sell tickets for. If you want to transfer your SC to a blue, he has to have paid a membership fee and the excuse for that is security but partners can sell to any old Tom, Dick or Harry.
 
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