Has the bubble burst?

Nothing stays the same, things evolve and for some it means things are worse for others it means things are better.
As a club, we are in such a fantastic position but to get there it has invariably led to decisions being made that have fucked certain fans over and they rightfully feel aggrieved.
I was never naive enough to not expect the squeezing of every penny possible from the higher ups, they don’t support City, they work for us and are sticking to the brief given to them from the very top.
The success was always going to mean most accepted certain changes but the first sign of struggles on the pitch was always going to bring the criticism.
I think a lot of us always believed that City weren’t like other clubs and would do things differently and look after our fans. The reality is we are just like every other club these days and won’t be changing anytime soon.
 
When you need to refer to those with a different opinion with a derogatory stereotype, ""Clappers" it reveals that only one opinion matters , YOURS.
No it doesnt its a valid name of a group, you can give me another name to use for people who always react badly to negative views of the owners. People use the term moaners no one seems to cry about that.
It seems it must have hit a nerve with you for some reason.

I cant be arsed to type permanently positive supporters of the clubs ownership and direction of football in general everytime. If you can come up with a better term im happy to use it.
I might be waiting a while though

Ttfn
 
No it doesnt its a valid name of a group, you can give me another name to use for people who always react badly to negative views of the owners. People use the term moaners no one seems to cry about that.
It seems it must have hit a nerve with you for some reason.

I cant be arsed to type permanently positive supporters of the clubs ownership and direction of football in general everytime. If you can come up with a better term im happy to use it.
I might be waiting a while though

Ttfn
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect it when that opinion is polemic to mine.
What I really dislike is that many posters write as though they are speaking for the majority of fans, have an opinion fine
But they shouldn't talk for other people.

I know one thing if I felt like some on here I wouldn't be wasting my time spending money on travel and tickets,
I would find another hobby get some pleasure from.
One yesterday wanted the owner out of the club. Axel something.
People should learn from the decisions other clubs make that have dire consequences.

The manager and player comments come and go like the wind. You can take those with a pinch of salt.

Only 3 weeks ago people were saying how great Pep and the team were, how Pep looks hungry and refreshed, how he was going to sign another extension at some point, how Pep2 and Kolo have brought a fresh feel to everything and how this young squad of players were responding well after a shaky start to the season due to no pre-season.

A few poorer results and displays later, the other end of the spectrum come out and say Pep looks frustrated, he’s lost his touch, he’s been found out and he’ll be leaving at the end of the season, that the recruitment’s been shit and the players should be miles better than they are.

But that’s natural, that even happened in the midst of the best times in 2017-23, just like it happened in our worst times in the mid80s and late90s. That’s just football fans for you.

Those discussions should be seen as distinct from the feeling fans have towards the top ranks of the club and the way they’ve been treating our core support for too long.

This is a more serious issue than the team and tactics.

The issue with fans and atmosphere is a symptom of the issue with the board+execs. They don’t let us know anything in advance of their decisions. They even purposely keep us in the dark, don’t allow fan groups to attend all meetings and even when they do they make them sign NDAs. Manchester City is our club, not theirs, they just happen to be employed by the club at this moment in time and at some point in the future they’ll be long gone and we’ll still be here.

No fans on the board, no fan consultations before things happen, 13 price rises in 16 years, some as high as 12%, people pulling out of Cup Schemes to make up for that, people feeling they have to give up their STs because they’re priced out or are sick of not enjoying the ‘matchday experience’ aimed at a faceless worldwide fanbase, increasing number of ticket tout partners added to the club’s list, only reducing £78 tickets for adults and £48 tickets for children after fan protests and would have made them even more expensive if we hadn’t protested, not replacing lapsed ST holders with new ST holders for a number of years, making it harder for ST holders to transfer tickets, increasing number of tourists surrounding us at games, more neutrals, non-City fans and away fans surrounding us at games while we see mates give up their STs because they’re sick of it, dead atmospheres becoming more of a correlating feature as all this grows…

They do a lot of things right, but they do a lot of things wrong and as I say, it’s our club. These people aren’t just providing an entertainment destination for us to attend a few times a month; this football club is part of the history and culture of this city and it’s citizens. We live and breathe this club every day and care about it more than any employee at the club could ever dream of doing.

There’s good reason to be pissed off with them. Decimating a club’s support is a fucking disgrace. And that’s what they’ve done. It’s happened at Chelsea too in the decades since their takeover, so it’s not just a City problem. Happened to United though the 90s and 00s, and will probably happen to Newcastle over the next few decades.

These fanbases are what made English football great. We should be held in the highest regard by our clubs’ boardrooms and we are treated like we’re a fucking nuisance they could do without.

At one time you could go anywhere in the country, or abroad on holiday, and get a conversation about football going and mention you were a City fans and you’d get instant respect. Now it’s almost embarrassing saying you’re a City fan and you often have to start a conversations by justifying that you are someone who was there from decades gone by when we were shit. And it’s the club who’ve done that to us.

Anyone happy that two dozen of their friends and family don’t come to City games anymore and are sat at home watching games, just because City have been successful in the last 15 years, are not cottoning onto the problem and are only contributing to the problem. Because eventually it will all end, whether that’s City’s individual success or the PL bubble finally bursts and we see a decline as a league… what will clubs be left with then?

Big stadiums and an alienated disenfranchised local support who don’t got to games anymore and are used watching games at home or used to doing other things with their time. The culture of fanbases, cities and the country altered. Football is as big a part of English/British culture as anything else. It should not be allowed to be taken away from us just because board members and execs at clubs want their bonuses for hitting revenue targets at the end of the year.

We should be holding every single decision that isn’t in the best interests of local and core supporters of this football club, in the highest of scrutiny, forever more! Every set of fans in this country should be coming together to combat what every boardroom is doing to their fanbases. The people of this country are too passive. In Germany, about 12 years ago, every fanbase in the league marched in their tens of thousands because a few individual clubs upped ticket prices. Here, we just shrug our shoulders and call each other ungrateful just because we’ve lifted a few pots and pans over the last decade and a half.

A fanbase should never let up on being hard-lined and demanding. Until the protests last year, it felt like we were far too passive with it. It probably got ten years too far down the line before we starting reacting to it sufficiently as a set of fans.

Football clubs and their fanbases are part of the history and culture of the cities and countries they come from. Clubs should never be allowed to have their fan cultures changed because that also alters the culture of our cities and country. History and culture are more important than short term business plans.

I’ve said this a lot recently, but core football fanbases should be sacrosanct to their clubs. Does anyone feel like we are to the City board/execs or that any clubs’ fans are in the PL?
"Almost Embarassing saying you're a City fan "
Fuck i've heard it all now !
 
If I’ve ever had an issue I go straight to the club rather than post on here. I’ve always had a good response from Danny.

I joined this forum to discuss our lows and HUGE highs with fellow blues but it’s become a depressing moan-athon nowadays and the football seems to be put to one side. Too many comments made without FULL knowledge of situations in general.

I can only say how I feel and I still revel in how the club delivered the treble; 5 trophies in one year & 4 in a row. Life’s too short to dwell on negatives constantly.
Some people just like to MOAN
 
Football has always been about community, belonging, local pride, tradition.

The 'elite' end of the game has become little more than corporate entertainment, pricing out the plebs or pushing them to the cheap seats to make way for day trippers with fat wallets who will fill the new seats and hotels

It's the way of the world. The rich get richer, the poor can pick up crumbs of their leftovers.

We lost our club the day that Soriano and Co walked through the door. It's just taken most of us a long time to realise it... some still haven't realised (or simply don't want to).

I'm genuinely surprised that we've retained Manchester in the club name.
I can't believe what i read on here sometimes...
 
If I’ve ever had an issue I go straight to the club rather than post on here. I’ve always had a good response from Danny.

I joined this forum to discuss our lows and HUGE highs with fellow blues but it’s become a depressing moan-athon nowadays and the football seems to be put to one side. Too many comments made without FULL knowledge of situations in general.

I can only say how I feel and I still revel in how the club delivered the treble; 5 trophies in one year & 4 in a row. Life’s too short to dwell on negatives constantly.
There are plenty of threads about football, being dishonest about that doesn't help your cause. If you dont like people expressing an opinion opposite to yours you are free not to read them.
Who cares why you joined the forum or what you want to get out of it? Its a Manchester City forum to discuss all things Manchester City. We even have forums for other teams off topic and politics.
Its a community whose only consensus in the main is we support City. If you dont like that that would be your problem no one else's.

You are free to not read, not comment or even ignore posters. Your personal wants are not our concern tbh.
 
Interesting OP. Speaking for myself, I feel incredibly lucky to have been a city fan during this period (we've seen things you'll never see and all that). The influx of foreign investment was the catalyst for it all.

I have consistently thought that the owner bought us as an undervalued business asset rather than for "sportswashing" and what we are seeing off the pitch right now just underlines that for me. We are a marketable asset and things are being squeezed to the pips right now (save the recent ticket pricing climbdown, which they were effectively shamed into).

I strongly suspect that the bubble which is football generally will eventually burst. The new stand will be a sign as to whether ours is bursting. The strategy is to try and fill the ground with tourists when it could have been to foster and nurture the young and growing fanbase which we are developing. Properly done, the ground would be filled to the rafters with blues every week. Strategically I suspect this will prove to be a mistake in the medium to long term. We will see.
 
Keep seeing posts from people saying they feel sorry for the kids growing up as blues nowadays. I tell you something for certain, I don't. I never thought I'd realistically see us win anything, League Cup at best and spent my whole childhood, teenage years and 20's not even seeing us get to a semi-final. People look back with blue tinted specs on the last few seasons at Maine Rd and seem to remember it as a cauldron of atmosphere, I was there every game and can say with certainty it wasn't. Blues have never had it so good.
 
Nothing to see here. Football fans all around the World are no different. Fans of clubs with a long period of sustained success will moan, groan and be unhappy at lots of things when the team can no longer maintain those lofty levels. Look no further than United, Liverpool and Arsenal during the last 10-20 years. Madrid and Barca fans will not be shy of venting their displeasure during similar spells as will those self proclaimed "best club fans in the World" who follow Dortmund, Bayern and other Bundesliga sides.

Twas ever thus!
 
In the grand scheme, whilst it’s annoying to lose, if we never won anything again I’d still die a happy man having seen what we have seen in the past 15 years.

Annoyance with our performance is just part of the game, it’s what we all love to talk about.

The off the field stuff is just such a shame. It’s a different club to the one we used to support.

Even if we did go back to being shit, nothing would change off the field, we’d still be in the newly expanded corporate bowl, we’d still have twats like Soriano sucking the soul out of the club and thinking of ways to fuck loyal fans over for an extra few quid.

I think largely modern football is dead at top premier league level. It’s a middle class sport now.
 
Some people just like to MOAN

I think this is correct, to a point. The season's been frustrating, it's a shit time of year, the weather and economy is crap and people are in a bad mood and want to let it out.

Speaking about the on pitch side of things specifically, the thing I notice most is people seem to love to say Guardiola's finished, but if you press them to say they want him gone or who should replace him, they don't have an answer or back down about wanting him fired. It's OK to say he's lost it but not to want him out seemingly, because as soon as you have to name someone better, things get a lot more difficult to justify.

Similar with the players, 90% of the time if you ask who should replace the player getting complained about in the lineup, they don't want anyone else in the squad playing there, and they can't name a realistically available player who should be brought in instead.

The upper management/anyone above Pep get a large portion of the blame for perceived failures, but no credit for the absolutely unprecedented success of the last 13 years. Someone wanted Soriano fired for extending Savinho's contract the other day, and I enjoyed thinking how that meeting would go. "Listen Ferran we know you've created a group worth £5Bn like we asked you to, and we know you've overseen winning 21 of the 35 trophies in the club's history, but you've potentially wasted £30m on this Brazilian kid so you've got to go".

A lot of it is complaints with no thoughts or ideas behind what else could be done, which IMO is when you're complaining for the sake of complaining/venting.
 
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