Should National Service be mandatory ?

Reading old gits who made the world what it is blaming the young for the state of it is hilarious.

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Also makes me wonder how many decades it is since you actually talked to anyone under 30.
I don’t blame the young as all wars are caused by old idiotic men, but we will be alright with anyone under 40, as long as we dont shout at them and they have a line of coke before bouncing into harms way with their stone island camo and adidas on ;)
 
So we sit and wait thumb up bum before we do something to late

Trouble is if you don’t prepare you’re fucked same as having the right weapons etc. I saw an interesting YouTube video of a tech guy in usa about he is building weapons that can be quickly replicated in current factories such as car building factories. In a conventional war most countries will run out within 8 weeks, yiu can’t just build an F35 every week, I didn’t know it but in WW2 tanks, planes etc were designed around factories available at the time and the people could build easily, this guy is building drones etc that could be made in your nearest car factory by the robots and people there for mass production.
My point been he is looking forward and preparing we suddenly can’t produce 19/20 thousand troops in a few weeks so it needs to be looked at now, or do we wait until one of our cities gets hits by a missile before we start taking it seriously?

So we teach basic military skills and fitness in school. At least then you aren't starting from ground zero. If you look back the the Vietnam era, the USA ramped up their troop numbers at a massive rate and relatively quickly.

Reinstating Nation Service akin to the post war years will bankrupt the country, so what are we going to be left defending at that point? However many troops we have they aren't going to stop a missile hitting one of our cities, and they certainly aren't going to be in a position to do anything much about the aftermath of an ICBM.

As for weapons manufacturing, we aren't talking about conventional warfare with dumb weapon systems which you can knock out relatively cheaply and quickly. Yes, you can have a load of dumb weapon systems, but they are next to useless against an adversary with anything relatively sophisticated or high powered.
 
So we teach basic military skills and fitness in school. At least then you aren't starting from ground zero. If you look back the the Vietnam era, the USA ramped up their troop numbers at a massive rate and relatively quickly.

Reinstating Nation Service akin to the post war years will bankrupt the country, so what are we going to be left defending at that point? However many troops we have they aren't going to stop a missile hitting one of our cities, and they certainly aren't going to be in a position to do anything much about the aftermath of an ICBM.

As for weapons manufacturing, we aren't talking about conventional warfare with dumb weapon systems which you can knock out relatively cheaply and quickly. Yes, you can have a load of dumb weapon systems, but they are next to useless against an adversary with anything relatively sophisticated or high powered.
Out of curiosity, would you support all those of the correlate who are not working, training or looking for work to do NS?
 
Out of curiosity, would you support all those of the correlate who are not working, training or looking for work to do NS?
So, round up all those who can't get/don't want to get a job and force them into National Service? I don't think that is going to produce anything worthwhile.

I would rather support and incentivise them to join the military on a minimum 5 year engagement if they were fit and able. Mandatary 2 year National Service is pointless.
 
So, round up all those who can't get/don't want to get a job and force them into National Service? I don't think that is going to produce anything worthwhile.

I would rather support and incentivise them to join the military on a minimum 5 year engagement if they were fit and able. Mandatary 2 year National Service is pointless
So let them continue to live free off the state, that seems worthwhile.

It all depends what the NS criteria would be to say whether it would be useless now. Not all service personnel go to a front line, there are lots of home guard tasks that need doing which these could be trained for. You never know, many could actually take to it and sign up.

Things are moving too rapidly in Europe and we need to prepare for what many experts believe is only a matter of time.

The next 12 months will be interesting to say the least
 
How can we even contemplate NS, the barracks are being filled with migrants and most of today's youth don't know if they are men or women
 
It never ceases to amaze me how often I see those from older generations completely write off millions of young people - entire generations of them - often using vapid and completely inaccurate stereotypes of what they think young people are like.

I work with dozens of folks in their early 20s, they are by and large like every single generation that came before them. That is, decent, hard-working, polite people who just want to get on in life.

Maybe if some of the people posting these things could get over their smug superiority complex for one second, they might come to see young people as human beings instead of the punching bag that some older people would like them to be.
 
So let them continue to live free off the state, that seems worthwhile.

We struggle to provide adequate infrastructure, equipment and conditions to sustain our current professional fighting force.

I wouldn't want to put a figure on it, but I'm willing to bet the cost of the infrastructure, personnel and resources to train, house and pay (yes, they have to be paid) to have them undertake National Service would easily surpass the cost of those living 'free' off the state, and the investment would simply not be worth it in the long term.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me how often I see those from older generations completely write off millions of young people - entire generations of them - often using vapid and completely inaccurate stereotypes of what they think young people are like.

I work with dozens of folks in their early 20s, they are by and large like every single generation that came before them. That is, decent, hard-working, polite people who just want to get on in life.

Maybe if some of the people posting these things could get over their smug superiority complex for one second, they might come to see young people as human beings instead of the punching bag that some older people would like them to be.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bravo sir, well said.
 
We struggle to provide adequate infrastructure, equipment and conditions to sustain our current professional fighting force.

I wouldn't want to put a figure on it, but I'm willing to bet the cost of the infrastructure, personnel and resources to train, house and pay (yes, they have to be paid) to have them undertake National Service would easily surpass the cost of those living 'free' off the state, and the investment would simply not be worth it in the long term.
the investment wouldn’t be worth it, what are you basing that on?
 
No.

Why should a young person be forced to sacrifice their future or even their life for the sake of a cabal of cunts in ivory towers? I don't have children, but if I did, you'd have to kill me before I gave them away to NS.
 
Cheeky twat I worked for my retirement
Your generation completely screwed the country, you will be one of the only generations in history to have left the country in a worst state than you found it

Get some respect for the young people trying to clear up the mess you made and hang your head in shame for your sins
 
Cheeky twat I worked for my retirement

Manners, Bernard.

And you've missed the point; you're still reliant on young people actually working for you now that you're idle. As are all retired people, of whom there are many more and with far higher incomes relative to workers than ever before.

There's been a huge transfer of wealth across generations in recent decades from young workers to the retired and in leisure IMO you should be very grateful to youngsters that they're well mannered enough to put up with the situation, rather than rioting and overturning it.
 

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