Bondi terror attack

[Prestwich_Blue]

There needs to be an acceptance in the Jewish community that the actions of Israel, rightly or wrongly, is affecting the safety of their community. We want anti-semitism to stop, we definitely want these sort of attacks to stop.

Well I'm part of that community and I don't accept that and none of my family or friends do.

Antisemitism didn't start on October 8th 2023 and nor did it start in May 1948, when Israel came into existence.

 

[hilts]

Well I'm part of that community and I don't accept that and none of my family or friends do.

Antisemitism didn't start on October 8th 2023 and nor did it start in May 1948, when Israel came into existence.

You must surely accept the actions of the Israeli govt have made these attacks likely to be more often though?

 

[moomba]

Well I'm part of that community and I don't accept that and none of my family or friends do.

Antisemitism didn't start on October 8th 2023 and nor did it start in May 1948, when Israel came into existence.

I come from a position of ignorance on this, totally appreciate that those that live and breathe this day in, day out may have a different perspective.

But can you see an end to this without significant change from both sides?

 

[oldius]

Official figures state that Israel has killed 65,000 Palestinians in the last two years. Estimates are significantly higher.
Human Rights Watch, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty International, and the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention all state that Israel is committing genocide in Palestine.
This has a catastrophic global impact.
It does not excuse the killing of innocent people, just as Israel should not be excused for killing innocent people, but it does lead to resentment, naturally so. The resentment should be directed towards Netanyahu and the soldiers carrying out his instructions, not Jewish people globally who, like everyone else, wish to live in peace. Equally, the actions of two terrorists should not lead to the condemnation of Muslims across the globe, for they too wish to live in peace.

 

[oldius]

So depressing, they just can’t live with us.
The so called followers of the 'Religion Of Peace' see any non believer as something to be eradicated.
The simple answer from a security perspective is to default to the lowest common denominator and treat them all as a risk and a threat and respond accordingly.

I live and work among the Muslim community and this is false, just as it would be for me to state that all Jewish people support the killing of Palestinians. It is nonsense.

 

[Manchester33]

You must surely accept the actions of the Israeli govt have made these attacks likely to be more often though?

There are tons of stats/facts/peer-reviewed studies that prove Israel, and Netanyahu’s actions in Gaza have led to a huge increase in antisemitism around the world.

Netanyahu has a hell of a lot of blood on his hands.

 

[.db.]

So depressing, they just can’t live with us.
The so called followers of the 'Religion Of Peace' see any non believer as something to be eradicated.
The simple answer from a security perspective is to default to the lowest common denominator and treat them all as a risk and a threat and respond accordingly.

The thing is, I could pick up the Bible tonight (not that I’ve got one) and spend the whole night picking out passages that instruct me to kill hearthens and unbelievers.

Even Jesus supposedly said and it says it in the Bible, ‘Now where are my enemies who didn't want me to be king? Bring them here and kill them before me’.

All the Abrahamic mythologies need reformation, secularisation and modernisation. They’re all utterly out of date in the modern world.

The bad thing about Islam and the Quran is that it’s never been through this before so, despite being the newest of the Abrahamic mythologies, it’s even more out of date than Christianity is.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You must surely accept the actions of the Israeli govt have made these attacks likely to be more often though?

What part of the Holocaust was caused by the actions of the Israeli government? There's been security around Jewish institutions for many years now due to antisemitic incidents.

As big a prick as Netanyahu and some of the lunatics around him are, that's just a convenient excuse for those who would have to find another excuse if they couldn't use that one.

 

[oldius]

The thing is, I could pick up the Bible tonight (not that I’ve got one) and spend the whole night picking out passages that instruct me to kill hearthens and unbelievers.

Even Jesus supposedly said and it says it in the Bible, ‘Now where are my enemies who didn't want me to be king? Bring them here and kill them before me’.

All the Abrahamic mythologies need reformation, secularisation and modernisation. They’re all utterly out of date in the modern world.

The bad thing about Islam and the Quran is that it’s never been through this before so, despite being the newest of the Abrahamic mythologies, it’s even more out of date than Christianity is.

Objective research soon deduces exactly this.
As has been stated, once you choose a side, many ignore facts.

 

[Manchester33]

Official figures state that Israel has killed 65,000 Palestinians in the last two years. Estimates are significantly higher.
Human Rights Watch, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, Doctors Without Borders, Amnesty International, and the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention all state that Israel is committing genocide in Palestine.
This has a catastrophic global impact.
It does not excuse the killing of innocent people, just as Israel should not be excused for killing innocent people, but it does lead to resentment, naturally so. The resentment should be directed towards Netanyahu and the soldiers carrying out his instructions, not Jewish people globally who, like everyone else, wish to live in peace. Equally, the actions of two terrorists should not lead to the condemnation of Muslims across the globe, for they too wish to live in peace.

These two gunmen are as bad as the worst IDF soldiers.

They’ve murdered innocent, defenceless children.

Their actions will now lead to an increase in hate towards peaceful Muslims. Absolute dicks.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Islamists doing what Islamists do.

Funny how everyone is blaming Netanyahu but no one is blaming them isn't it?

Were 9/11, 7/7 and the Arena bombing on Netanyahu?

 

[hilts]

There are tons of stats/facts/peer-reviewed studies that prove Israel, and Netanyahu’s actions in Gaza have led to a huge increase in antisemitism around the world.

Netanyahu has a hell of a lot of blood on his hands.

He does and he must know of the increased chances of action against innocent Jews because of his actions, but he's a **** and there are plenty about from different sides so we are back to this.

It stops when normal prople stand up to the powerful that destroy innocent lives especially those that come from their own country, political side or faith. If you take sides based on prejudice or deflect away from your own 'side' when they are acting immoral then you are part of the problem.
Tit for tat tends to harm those that never wanted to play the fucking game in the first place.

We have one poster deflecting already and he's an intelligent guy, what hope is there?

 

[oldius]

What part of the Holocaust was caused by the actions of the Israeli government? There's been security around Jewish institutions for many years now due to antisemitic incidents.

As big a prick as Netanyahu and some of the lunatics around him are, that's just a convenient excuse for those who would have to find another excuse if they couldn't use that one.

Not one single part. Antisemitism is disgusting, as is the hatred of any person because of the religion they follow.

Netanyahu is not a prick, he is a mass-murderer and war criminal.
7/7, 9/11 I actually do not know of the reasons given for those terrible attacks, though I suspect that the West's continued support of Israel's deplorable conduct did not help, and nor would our conduct in Iraq, Afghanistan et al.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I come from a position of ignorance on this, totally appreciate that those that live and breathe this day in, day out may have a different perspective.

But can you see an end to this without significant change from both sides?

That would probably help but it wouldn't end antisemitism.

 

[i kne albert davy]

The thing is, I could pick up the Bible tonight (not that I’ve got one) and spend the whole night picking out passages that instruct me to kill hearthens and unbelievers.

Even Jesus supposedly said and it says it in the Bible, ‘Now where are my enemies who didn't want me to be king? Bring them here and kill them before me’.

All the Abrahamic mythologies need reformation, secularisation and modernisation. They’re all utterly out of date in the modern world.

The bad thing about Islam and the Quran is that it’s never been through this before so, despite being the newest of the Abrahamic mythologies, it’s even more out of date than Christianity is.

I've still got the bible I've was given when leaving school, can't say I've read it all or any of it. not sure any normal human being thinks I can kill someone cause a book says it's ok.

 

[Pep Talk561]

So awful

 

[oldius]

Funny how everyone is blaming Netanyahu but no one is blaming them isn't it?

Were 9/11, 7/7 and the Arena bombing on Netanyahu?

The thread is littered with blame attributed directly to the terrorists and condemnation for the attacks.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not one single part. Antisemitism is disgusting, as is the hatred of any person because of the religion they follow.

Netanyahu is not a prick, he is a mass-murderer and war criminal.

But I'm not, and nor are my little granddaughters. Yet people seem to think we are part of the problem. And people who seem to think the murder of Jews is excusable because of the actions of Israel are just as bad as those who think it's ok to murder innocent Gazans because of the actions of Hamas.

People are making excuses for antisemitism.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

16 so far confirmed dead, many more with "catastrophic" injuries.

There's a time and a place (and a thread) for discussing the proximate causes, but it's not here, not today.

 

[oldius]

But I'm not, and nor are my little granddaughters. Yet people seem to think we are part of the problem. And people who seem to think the murder of Jews is excusable because of the actions of Israel are just as bad as those who think it's ok to murder innocent Gazans because of the actions of Hamas.

Of course you are not, and this is EXACTLY what I have said.
Hating Jews because of the actions of Netanyahu is ridiculous.
Hating Muslims because of the actions of terror cells is ridiculous.
Stop with the religion, focus on the humanity.
KILLING IS WRONG!!!