Bondi terror attack

oldius said:
This is absolute truth. Imagine how it feels to be a Palestinian in Gaza with this happening every, single day of your life. Or indeed in Sudan or Myanmar.

We must get to the roots of the problem, but it feels like too many politicians are on the take and cannot be trusted to act without favour.
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Or indeed how it feels to be a Jew in England or Australia not knowing that you are going to return safely from a visit to a beach or your synagogue?
 
.db. said:
The thing is, I could pick up the Bible tonight (not that I’ve got one) and spend the whole night picking out passages that instruct me to kill hearthens and unbelievers.

Even Jesus supposedly said and it says it in the Bible, ‘Now where are my enemies who didn't want me to be king? Bring them here and kill them before me’.
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How could it possibly be "in the Bible" and "supposedly"? It's a parable. That's like blaming Shakespeare for telling about hiw Julius Caesar was killed.
 
Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values. They're also parroting Netanyahu's line that this atrocity is a direct result of the west's weakness, Australia's recognition of a Palestinian state and so on and the west's tolerance for the "hate" marches, the "never ending" protests they believe are nothing more than cover for the Hamas terrorists with their chants of "globalise the intifada".
It's noticeable that the left wing media are more introspective today, a few of them are beginning to question the "narrative" which I think is a positive sign.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values. They're also parroting Netanyahu's line that this atrocity is a direct result of the west's weakness, Australia's recognition of a Palestinian state and so on and the west's tolerance for the "hate" marches, the never ending protests they believe are nothing more than cover for the Hamas terrorists with their chants of "globalise the intifada".
It's noticeable that the left wing media are more introspective today, a few of them are beginning to question the "narrative" which I think is a positive sign.
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These kind of atrocities are their oxygen, don't give them the clicks.

I've just seen a pic of that poor young girl; if that parasite lives I hope he's tortured everyday for the rest of his existence.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values. They're also parroting Netanyahu's line that this atrocity is a direct result of the west's weakness, Australia's recognition of a Palestinian state and so on and the west's tolerance for the "hate" marches, the "never ending" protests they believe are nothing more than cover for the Hamas terrorists with their chants of "globalise the intifada".
It's noticeable that the left wing media are more introspective today, a few of them are beginning to question the "narrative" which I think is a positive sign.
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If you don’t think Islamists pose a threat to our country then I suggest you take a trip to Malmo.
 
johnnytapia said:
If you don’t think Islamists pose a threat to our country then I suggest you take a trip to Malmo.
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I live and work among the Muslim community and have never felt threatened.
If you are referring to religious extremists, generally, then you are correct, and this is naturally true of all faiths.

We can probably all agree that religious extremists and political extremists pose the biggest threat to the safety and security of the species. It is why I feel so enraged by Trump, Netanyahu, Farage, and others, who will target any minority for the benefit of votes. My mum is Irish Catholic and my dad English Protestant. I watched my grandmother chase him from the house with a knife once in a heated argument about terrorist Vs freedom fighter. She hated the occupation of her homeland, he was a English 'patriot' believing it was necessary.

We shift though away from the point. This is a tragedy. I hope that anyone taking innocent lives faces harsh penalties regardless of faith. There is no place for violence - racial, political, religious, or secular, and it is time we frowned upon it, whomever it is committed by, and whomever it is directed towards.
 
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oldius said:
I live and work among the Muslim community and have never felt threatened.
If you are referring to religious extremists, generally, then you are correct, and this is naturally true of all faiths.

We can probably all agree that religious extremists and political extremists pose the biggest threat to the safety and security of the species. It is why I feel so enraged by Trump, Netanyahu, Farage, and others, who will target any minority for the benefit of votes. My mum is Irish Catholic and my dad English Protestant. I watched my grandmother chase him from the house with a knife once in a heated argument about terrorist Vs freedom fighter. She hated the occupation of her homeland, he was a English 'patriot' believing it was necessary.

We shift though away from the point. This is a tragedy. I hope that anyone taking innocent lives faces harsh penalties regardless of faith. There is no place for violence - racial, political, religious, or secular, and it is time we frowned upon it, whomever it is committed by, and whomever it is directed towards.
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I think the problem is that many, many people have been radicalised, groomed even (and I'm talking about your traditional white Christian type). If your (and many others) forementioned villains Trump, Netanyahu and Farage were all assassinated today then many people in this country would probably celebrate (internally at least). Have a look back at the comments on the Trump assassination bid or the Charlie Kirk assassination. Even on this thread, plenty of people not openly justifying the killing of innocents but shall we say rather gently understanding and accepting as valid where the killers motives are coming from.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
I didn't say that.
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You said:
“Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values.”

I inferred from that, that you don’t believe Islamists pose a threat to our (UK / Western) way of life.
 
Palerider said:
I think the problem is that many, many people have been radicalised, groomed even (and I'm talking about your traditional white Christian type). If your (and many others) forementioned villains Trump, Netanyahu and Farage were all assassinated today then many people in this country would probably celebrate (internally at least). Have a look back at the comments on the Trump assassination bid or the Charlie Kirk assassination. Even on this thread, plenty of people not openly justifying the killing of innocents but shall we say rather gently understanding and accepting as valid where the killers motives are coming from.
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I think you must understand motive. This is especially important where there is a 'cause' likely to be followed by many others. We can build evidence, charge, try, prosecute and sentence as harshly as we wish, but if the cause is real and justified in the eyes of followers, we will be doing the same thing over and over again, just as we did with Ireland.

I don't wish death on anyone, but the names I have mentioned come close. Why? Because they are, effectively, hate preachers wreaking havoc on the world. They build division for their own gain, and act with impunity because they are well funded by major players. We can have as many people speaking out about Trump and Netanyahu as we wish, but until such time as prosecutions for treason or war-crimes are made, they will go on and on. I believe the issue of US support for Israel to be the leading threat to western civilisation because it allows the latter to slaughter thousands and thousands of people each year, safe in the bosom of US support that no individual nation is able to stand up to. It will also be a major factor in the US desire to dismantle NATO and the EU.
 
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johnnytapia said:
You said:
“Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values.”

I inferred from that, that you don’t believe Islamists pose a threat to our (UK / Western) way of life.
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I didn't say it, I said the right wing media are saying it.

Not everything the right wing media says is wrong, in these censorious times the right wing media has found itself championing causes, almost always in my opinion for the wrong reasons, that to my astonishment I actually agree with, issues that the captured left is incapable of addressing.

I try, not always successfully, to separate the message from the messenger. I struggle on this particular issue because the things I know I don't know and the things I don't know I don't know almost certainly outweigh the things I think I know.

I'm not trying to be evasive or clever, but the media is not our friend on this, this tragedy is being reported everywhere along ideological lines, that's why a thread like this one is probably best left for condemnation and commiseration and its political ramifications taken elsewhere.
 
johnnytapia said:
You said:
“Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values.”

I inferred from that, that you don’t believe Islamists pose a threat to our (UK / Western) way of life.
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Islamic extremists most certainly pose a threat but Muslims in general going about their daily business - like the vast majority of people on this planet - do not. And in terms of numbers, the latter far outweigh the former.
 
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johnnytapia said:
You said:
“Somewhat predictably the right wing media has rolled this story seamlessly into their immigration obsession, the two pronged existential threat they believe Islam poses for the west and the UK in particular, namely the number of Muslims "flooding" the UK and the threat their religion poses to our Christian values.”

I inferred from that, that you don’t believe Islamists pose a threat to our (UK / Western) way of life.
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I think the West has disrupted the lives of Arabs and Muslims far more than the reverse

We still play cricket, go to church, sing Christmas carols, watch Downtown Abbey/Coronation street, have a king, support City, etc etc

Baghdad, Tehran, Damascus, Beirut have all suffered huge loss of life in the last 40 years.
Most of it caused by the West meddling in the area due to oil, religion.
 
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