PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

M18CTID said:
I’d love to know on what planet how these fuckwits think it’s illegal for a state-owned business to receive money from, errrrr, the state.
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All the main PL allegations are based on the premise that our owner topped up sponsorship from his own funds. Yet morons continue to say we are “owned by Abu Dhabi.” You can’t have it both ways.
 
So..... 2026 predictions
We reckon January nice and early?
There are no international breaks soon but there is a gap between 12th and 20th Feb if they want a window that's no football is on. Or we going long... End of season?
 
M18CTID said:
Great post and mirrors much of my thoughts.

I would add that I’d advise every City fan not to waste their spare time bothering on that wanker Adam Joseph. He’s been spouting biased unsubstantiated bollocks about this going right back to when the charges were first announced. In fact, there was a tweet of his posted way back near the beginning of this very thread. No surprise to know that he’s a United fan who also shags kangaroos for a living. Fuck him and fuck all those who sail in him.
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You can get paid for it?
 
TedofChume said:
I've got to disagree with a few of the points made by this guy. The CAS report undermines pretty much every point he tries to make.

1) CAS stated in their report that the only information UEFA provided as evidence were the emails published by der Spiegel, nothing else. They didn't present any other evidence, despite getting a team of forensic accountants to look through City's books, having access to all City's bank accounts, contracts etc. That is pretty damming.

2) In the CAS report, CAS gave 8 different reasons for arriving at their decision to clear City of all charges.

3) The CAS report states categorically that UEFA did not have a case against City.

4) The report also states City were prevented by UEFA from providing the original emails at the original hearing, and that this was an error by UEFA. Had UEFA allowed City to show the original emails, CAS determined that UEFA should have cleared City at the original hearing. That's virtually saying the original hearing outcome was fixed.

5) The unredacted emails provided by City showed one of the six published by der Spiegel were two others spliced together - ie the emails der Spiegel printed were deliberately fabricated to mislead. The redactions also allowed der Spiegel to suggest they meant something else, and crucially the emails actually referred to a deal being discussed before FFP or PSR that never went ahead.

When people write stuff like this post, they completely overlook very clear facts that indicate the conclusions they are trying to draw are nonsense.

I'll go on, der Spiegel did publish extra information about Manicini's and Toure's payments. I've read those emails. To me Manicini's agent is discussing a perfectly legal way to avoid paying income tax twice on Mancini's salary, otherwise he'd be paying about 97% and it wouldn't be worth taking the job. This happened because despite duel taxation arrangements to avoid this, Mancini crossed the default threshold in both countries for tax to be applied automatically. The additional AD contract ensured Mancini was never in the UK for over 56 days and therefore only had to pay income tax in Italy. Mancini can't be the first to be in this position. The emails show Mancini's agent duscussing this openly withb the Italian tax authorities, and chasing important documents after he was sacked. The Toure contract is all about a third-party who represents Toure helping City exploit image rights of him and other players. I can't see anything wrong in this, the emails indicate a perfectly normal business arrangement. None of these extra emails suggest any wrongdoing by City. It is purely the interpretation by der Spiegel (because the CAS report suggested they'd made it all up) they used to try to save face. At the time der Spiegel were in the mire over publishing several made up articles with editors and journalists sacked as a result. The CAS reported showed their corrupt business practices spread wider.

Rant over!
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Re: point 4. I thought City stopped working with UEFA due to the leaks. I remember CAS criticising us saying that if we had complied with their requests then we would likely have not needed CAS to sort it out which is why we paid the non compliance fine and CAS complained that we kind of breached protocol
 
Cityfan1977 said:
@Prestwich_Blue we did brake the spending rules in 2014 hence the fewer squat and transfer ban correct ?
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Only because they changed their own rules a couple of weeks before. They basically stitched us up. Didn't we make a deal with Uefa and agreed to pay a fine after which Kaldoon said that would never happen again.
 
tonea2003 said:
they keep trying

but bear in mind

a utd fan football finance guy

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Lord save me from another Twitter "football finance" guy (2:1, business studies, mid-ranking university) who is half way down the human centipede of information. He skim read magic hat and now wants you to like and subscribe to his AI generated bullet points. Kill me now.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
I once scored from the halfway line against Wilbraham.

It was for Claremont in primary and I used to love scoring on their pitch on Hart Road/Platt Lane.
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This was Wilbraham High School. IIRC three of our back four (me being the obvious exception) played with Peter Coyne for Manchester Boys and they, as we all did, saw it as our duty to ‘let him know we were there’ early doors and he seemed to drift out of the game for some reason! Didn’t Paul Todd (City’s mascot) go to Wilbraham Primary around that time.
 
mrbelfry said:
Re: point 4. I thought City stopped working with UEFA due to the leaks. I remember CAS criticising us saying that if we had complied with their requests then we would likely have not needed CAS to sort it out which is why we paid the non compliance fine and CAS complained that we kind of breached protocol
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Yes. Most of that post was wrong. I could have written a long correction but, frankly, it's not worth the effort. And it was what people wanted to hear after all this time.
 
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