How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

As I said, people who can insulate themselves from Reform policies will be fine.

Those that can’t, won’t, but then you’ve experienced an attachment of earnings order, so you are fine with loads of others having to go through that, or worse.

Humanity is in reverse.
yeah, punished in a way, through absolutely no fault of my own (jointly and severally liable for a debt, incurred because my business partner lied to insurance company about HIV infection/treatment). Today's IVAs are nowhere near as punitive as this - and you know this. I lost my wife, my business partner, my livelihood, my home, and so much more. I'm not at all fine with "loads of others" going through that - but they will (in fact) not suffer anything like that. Less of the chin-stroking piety.
 
I’m not getting into the usual tennis match and will just say that GDM sums it up perfectly for me.

We are all guilty of speaking to each other in a way nobody probably would face to face.

Strangers on the internet calling each other cunts, thick, stupid, racist, libtards, woke and much much more is where this particular forum has found itself of late.

It’s a poor look that just entrenches views and does nothing to change minds and opinions.
Indeed. Just a few of highlights from his last post:

For someone with a passable vocabulary and reasonable grammar your English comprehension is truly appalling.

you fucking weirdo

You are tone deaf, unwilling to listen to, absorb or understand what someone else is saying.

A pathological absence of empathy, as you display on a number of topics, which suggests to me you most likely have a mild psychological disorder.

once again displays a pathological absence of empathy.

The irony of all that appearing in a post about people's attitude and respect in discussing political issues is hilarious.
 
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yeah, punished in a way, through absolutely no fault of my own (jointly and severally liable for a debt, incurred because my business partner lied to insurance company about HIV infection/treatment). Today's IVAs are nowhere near as punitive as this - and you know this. I lost my wife, my business partner, my livelihood, my home, and so much more. I'm not at all fine with "loads of others" going through that - but they will (in fact) not suffer anything like that. Less of the chin-stroking piety.
Awesome. You’ve got through adversity, so the kid who needs a kidney should know his place and expect his family to bankrupt themselves to keep them alive.

It’s always the university of life blokes that advocate life being crap for everyone else.
 
Awesome. You’ve got through adversity, so the kid who needs a kidney should know his place and expect his family to bankrupt themselves to keep them alive.

It’s always the university of life blokes that advocate life being crap for everyone else.
not advocating that, just pointing out the reality you're happy to blank - and no family in this country will ever have to bankrupt itself to save a child in need of a kidney transplant. A pretty pathetic argument from a poster who should (and probably does) know better. Awesome, indeed.
 
not advocating that, just pointing out the reality you're happy to blank - and no family in this country will ever have to bankrupt itself to save a child in need of a kidney transplant. A pretty pathetic argument from a poster who should (and probably does) know better. Awesome, indeed.
Not yet, but have a look at the vet threads in off topic.

They’ll be in this subforum should Farage get his way.
 
Not yet, but have a look at the vet threads in off topic.

They’ll be in this subforum should Farage get his way.
I have no view on farage in this instance, though you obvs do - I quote from my real-life experience. I have three rescue beagles, unless you're talking about ex-service personnel here, there's nothing your experience/expertise can teach me - happy for you to leave it to the rest of your flock who know no better.

You are predicting kidney transplant patients will die if farage is elected? They probs will, wrongly or rightly, pretty much as they have done in the past and as they do to this very day. What's your point, caller?
 
I have no view on farage in this instance, though you obvs do - I quote from my real-life experience. I have three rescue beagles, unless you're talking about ex-service personnel here, there's nothing your experience/expertise can teach me - happy for you to leave it to the rest of your flock who know no better.

You are predicting kidney transplant patients will die if farage is elected? They probs will, wrongly or rightly, pretty much as they have done in the past and as they do to this very day. What's your point, caller?
Think that’ll probably do for the night.

You don’t want anything protecting because bad things have happened to you.

I’m sorry for your tribulations, but don’t make millions of others suffer because you have.
 
Think that’ll probably do for the night.

You don’t want anything protecting because bad things have happened to you.

I’m sorry for your tribulations, but don’t make millions of others suffer because you have.
You're funny when you're evasive and cannot respond. G'night Blue.
 
I’m good. I’ve insulated.

It’ll be interesting to see how all of you guys advocating poor people to be poorer and limit their access to healthcare respond.

Popcorn will be on hold for then.
I'll pay for the first person who needs the kidney transplant for lack of funds you predict #scaremongeringbullshit
 
I was wrong, sorry... you're not funny when you have no answers.
As I say, I’ve insulated for what’s to come.

You can advocate being as nasty to whichever subset of society or wish the largest of medical bills on people who can’t afford them.

I’ll always be on the side of the people that need more.
 
As I say, I’ve insulated for what’s to come.

You can advocate being as nasty to whichever subset of society or wish the largest of medical bills on people who can’t afford them.

I’ll always be on the side of the people that need more.
you should be beatified
As I say, I’ve insulated for what’s to come.

You can advocate being as nasty to whichever subset of society or wish the largest of medical bills on people who can’t afford them.

I’ll always be on the side of the people that need more.
I never advocated any such thing, clearly, and you could not show I did if challenged to do so - wtf have you been drinking? And by the way, I've had a word with the Vatican, your beatification is in the (holy) post. You know what, get yourself down to M11 3FF asap and reconnect with reality.
 
you should be beatified

I never advocated any such thing, clearly, and you could not show I did if challenged to do so - wtf have you been drinking? And by the way, I've had a word with the Vatican, your beatification is in the (holy) post. You know what, get yourself down to M11 3FF asap and reconnect with reality.
Your empathy is dead. You’re not alone. It’s why we’re heading where we’re heading.

It’s okay, I can see that and will help as best I can, but I’m not a miracle worker. I recognise that social media is advocating not caring about anyone else but “their own”.
 
Assuming this madness from the White House continues I think we are likely to see a few more prominent people putting their heads above the parapet in the relatively near future about a second referendum.

I think this country is likely to be faced with an existential choice between the US and Europe in the not too distant future, and rejoining the EU will be part of that debate. Difficult to see how it won’t.

I think recent events and direction of travel mean that many of the barriers to re entry at the EU’s end might disappear in a way that was unimaginable even 18 months ago, especially given our military capability. I think that would be the clincher, and ways would be found round vetos from the likes of Hungary. Needs must.

Any argument that the dynamics and metrics haven’t overwhelmingly changed in the last twelve months, never mind since 2016, isn’t sustainable. In fact I would say in many ways they have changed more than they did in the last ten years than they did between 1975 and 2016. Certainly more than between 1975 and 1992 (despite the Berlin Wall coming down in that period) when the Maastricht treaty was signed and anti EU sentiment started to gather momentum in this country, and numerous voices were calling for us to leave the EU, contrary to the referendum vote in 1975.

I think, sadly, this issue is going to divide this country further, especially at a generational level. Think some people, understandably, will be incensed at the mere suggestion of this, but I do think it’s likely we need to pick a side, given where we find ourselves. Talk of Trump leaving power in a few years, and this being a blip isn’t operating in the realms of reality.

I think the the young, where anti US sentiment is strongest I’d say, are likely to mobilise on this issue.

I don’t doubt many voters will pick the US, btw, but either way it will be hugely divisive. How could it not be?
 
The decision, whether to choose between U.S. or E.U., is going to become a reality very soon if Trump is allowed to continue as potus.
From being someone who largely agreed with American values and principles (pre Trump) I feel that the U.S. has changed into something unrecognisable since Trump's inauguration, something I don't like.
So when push comes to shove, I will be sliding with the E.U.
 

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