Greenland / Trump nonsense.

I'm also thinking that there's a TV series in years to come about this. Drop the Dead CheetoGibbon?

(in honour of the original planned title of Drop the Dead Donkey having been Dead Belgians Don't Count, I have rejected the title that Miller pretty much said of Dead Cubans Don't Count).
 
117 M34 said:
Greenland is massive and looks to me like geographically, it's only the north that would be useful from an American defence perspective.
I'm thinking they may propose the county being split with America taking the northern half to use as a military base.
They could move those in the North to the south and provide housing etc there to appease them and sweeten the deal.
Denmark could be given some very preferential trade deals to get then on side.
Might be the best solution to keep everyone happy.
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It's not about security- he could increase the number of personnel there just by asking - and he hasnt even asked ! And the base would be a lot larger than it is. Indeed since June 2025 arguably he dosent even have to ask.

2025 Danish Parliament Decision

In June 2025, Denmark’s parliament approved a law allowing the U.S. military to enter Denmark (including Greenland) “whenever it wants, for whatever reason it sees fit.”
• This effectively grants standing permission for U.S. forces to access bases.
• Critics in Denmark said this ceded sovereignty to the U.S..
Interpretation:
If this law applies fully to Greenland (and reporting suggests it does), then the U.S. now has broad pre‑authorised access, meaning it could increase troop numbers without asking Denmark each time.
 
Scoobz3 said:
It's not about security- he could increase the number of personnel there just by asking - and he hasnt even asked ! And the base would be a lot larger than it is. Indeed since June 2025 arguably he dosent even have to ask.

2025 Danish Parliament Decision

In June 2025, Denmark’s parliament approved a law allowing the U.S. military to enter Denmark (including Greenland) “whenever it wants, for whatever reason it sees fit.”
• This effectively grants standing permission for U.S. forces to access bases.
• Critics in Denmark said this ceded sovereignty to the U.S..
Interpretation:
If this law applies fully to Greenland (and reporting suggests it does), then the U.S. now has broad pre‑authorised access, meaning it could increase troop numbers without asking Denmark each time.
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Already in the 1951 Treaty - US now claiming if Greenland becomes independent of Denmark as the result of some future referendum it would attract the Chinese or Russians.
 
Onholiday(somemightsay) said:
He's jostling for position on something (possibly NATO spending or similar).

He's not taking Greenland in my humble opinion...........
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I don't think he's taking Greenland, I agree.

But I don't think he's issuing these threats simply to up NATO member spending. He could threaten to leave NATO entirely without resorting to invasion of sovereign territory. I think he's testing the waters, he's an imperialist and he craves the US having more land.
 
Scoobz3 said:
I think the majority of people would rather live in the US than Denmark given the choice - the US is a big place, plenty of good areas compared to bad , especially if you have a tax ‘free’ sum of few million each. And Trump won’t be around for ever. I think the vast majority of Greenlanders would actually choose to stay put.

You would only need 50 percent plus of the vote (remember Brexit ) so it doesn’t have to appeal to everyone .. The country is also big enough and under populated to zone bits off to largely protect any special interests .

Better to take $2m perhaps, than face the prospect of the same thing happening and getting nothing or even the Danes benefitting …

Indeed, I think many country’s citizens would sign up it, if they were offered $2m each and US citizenship ….

Just think of the UK - especially if it had a big unpopulated area that would largely be the target of any economic activity and potentially the source of highly paid jobs to sustain people in the future.

Anyway, let’s hope something else comes along that is less controversial to distract him… It is all truly horrible.
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The American dream is just a propaganda dream which most Americans never achieve. 11% of the US is in poverty and inequality is so huge that the top 1% own 99% of the wealth. Denmark meanwhile tops every happiness and wellbeing index, taxation is indeed high but then so are wages and welfare. For everything they put in they get loads back.

I actually don't think that $2m is a lot in the US because you get absolutely nothing back. Healthcare insurance premiums for a start are around $500pm+. Being a millionaire in the US is going to be uncomfortable whereas being a millionaire in Denmark would be great.

Long term it would just be choosing money and the so called dream over what is actually tangibly better.
 
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Isn't there something going on in the US that has been pushed into the background because of all these shennanigans?

I just can't put my finger on what it was?

Can anyone help?
 
We've got Guardiola said:
The American dream is just a propaganda dream which most Americans never achieve. 11% of the US is in poverty and inequality is so huge that the top 1% own 99% of the wealth. Denmark meanwhile tops every happiness and wellbeing index, taxation is indeed high but then so are wages and welfare. For everything they put in they get loads back.

I actually don't think that $2m is a lot in the US because you get absolutely nothing back. Healthcare insurance premiums for a start are around $500pm+. Being a millionaire in the US is going to be uncomfortable whereas being a millionaire in Denmark would be great.

Long term it would just be choosing money and the so called dream over what is actually tangibly better.
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Just to back this up I have close friends in Dansk some born & bred there and one an ex-Manc.

Yes they are taxed quite heavily and moan a bit on occasions but with public services to match they can see where the money is going.

Been over there around a dozen times it's a lovely place to live, go out in and chat to people, quite a few speak better English and can hold a conversation better than in the UK.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Just to back this up I have close friends in Dansk some born & bred there and one an ex-Manc.

Yes they are taxed quite heavily and moan a bit on occasions but with public services to match they can see where the money is going.

Been over there around a dozen times it's a lovely place to live, go out in and chat to people, quite a few speak better English and can hold a conversation better than in the UK.
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On the down side Copenhagen is full of rags and dippers. Was there a couple of years ago at the weekend when they were playing each other. Big the only blue in a pub full of rags and dippers wasn’t a pleasant experience.
 
west didsblue said:
On the down side Copenhagen is full of rags and dippers. Was there a couple of years ago at the weekend when they were playing each other. Big the only blue in a pub full of rags and dippers wasn’t a pleasant experience.
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If that happens i cheer like fuck when the first goal is scored. I then do the same if an equaliser is scored. They’ve no idea what to do!
 
west didsblue said:
On the down side Copenhagen is full of rags and dippers. Was there a couple of years ago at the weekend when they were playing each other. Big the only blue in a pub full of rags and dippers wasn’t a pleasant experience.
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Yes it is, I normally stay around the Odense area and even flying from Bullund have had the pleasure of half a plane full of the wankers made even worse as they were pissed up due to a 2 1/2 hour Ryanair delay.
 
Scoobz3 said:
I think the majority of people would rather live in the US than Denmark given the choice - the US is a big place, plenty of good areas compared to bad , especially if you have a tax ‘free’ sum of few million each. And Trump won’t be around for ever. I think the vast majority of Greenlanders would actually choose to stay put.

You would only need 50 percent plus of the vote (remember Brexit ) so it doesn’t have to appeal to everyone .. The country is also big enough and under populated to The country is also big enough and under populated to zone bits off to largely protect any special interests .

Better to take $2m perhaps, than face the prospect of the same thing happening and getting nothing or even the Danes benefitting …

Indeed, I think many country’s citizens would sign up it, if they were offered $2m each and US citizenship ….

Just think of the UK - especially if it had a big unpopulated area that would largely be the target of any economic activity and potentially the source of highly paid jobs to sustain people in the future.

Anyway, let’s hope something else comes along that is less controversial to distract him… It is all truly horrible.
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Do you actually have any knowledge of the Island ?

You describe it
The country is also big enough and under populated to zone bits off to largely protect any special interests
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"big enough", yes it's pretty vast.

"under populated", yes it's a tiny population for it's size, but the vast majority of it is uninhabitable, the only infrastructure is in the settlements, none of which are connected to each other, other than be air (most are a couple of hours apart even by air), or sea (minimum a day apart).

As for "zone bits off to largely protect any special interests", as described above it's already zoned off to all intents and purposes.

Why anyone would prefer to live in the US is beyond me, with or without money, and I guess you know nothing much about Denmark either, a lovely country with nice people, I know where I'd prefer to live.
 
cleavers said:
As someone who has a hobby like interest in aviation, I'm aware of quite a bit of what goes on in Greenland.

The US does have a base there, and it covers a large area, but it's not a "huge base", it's in the far north of Greenland where they have a "Space Force Base" at Pituffik (formerly Thule). It's not clear how many military personel are based there, but it's likely to be less than a couple of hundred. A lot of it's previous accomodation, built during the cold war, is likely to be out of commission these days, so would likely need major construction. It does have a near 10000 FT runway, so can take most military aircraft, and is open year round. It's basic role is early warning of ICBM, but I'm sure it eavesdrops on russia from there.

There are two other large runways, at airports called Kangerlussuaq, and Narsarsuaq, both former US military bases, but neither have any military based there now as far as I know, though the former often has USAF flying in and out of it, and sometime based there for weeks (mainly summer months), I think they retain some military buildings at both for that use.

The main airport at Nuuk (capital City) was extended about 18 months ago and can take large aircraft now, and regularly has Canadian and USAF visiting aircraft (as well as the rest of NATO), and they are building another longish runway at Ilulissat, so that it can take larger aircraft than the work horse Dash8 of Air Greenland. There are search and rescue and some transport helicopters based around the Island also, and they have daily flights to and from Denmark with an A380 airbus, as well as some chartered (tourist) smaller jets from Iceland, Greenland, and in summer Canada and the USA.

As a result of having this interest, I know there are usually a couple of Danish warships based in and around the capital on rotation from Denmark. Apart from the Danish ships, and the various military aircraft I've mentioned, I've never seen any US military there. Could the US easily take it by force, yes, but I'm not sure they would need too, because any Danish miltary there would be minimal, I would imagine a small garrison, and they probably could just waltze in any time they wanted, but they might be better just asking, and they'd likely get permission anyway.
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Pretty sure it's an A330. I doubt Nuuk can take an A380. Sorry for being a pedant
 
threespires said:
Can I ask what are you basing this view on? I think the last social mobility index I saw had the US down at something like 27th or 28th place. I accept social mobility indexes are measuring something more/different than the ability to make a metric shit tonne of money as it's more about sustainable improvement for a broader set of people rather than the occasional exceptional circumstance. Are you thinking of those occasional exceptions or is it something else prompting your view? Ironically given this current discussion, if I remember correctly, Denmark was very close to the top if not first.
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I can see that argument.

I just know that my brother moved there 10 years ago or so where he initially went to University and within 10 years is now comfortably making 6 figures there and now living in New York.

He has had to work hard for it and has always said to me if you want a more comfortable ride with more social benefits as an insurance policy, then Europe is probably better. But for making something of yourself, if you are willing to sacrifice then no country rewards hard work and success more so than the US.

It is dog eat dog though and you have to be prepared to work for it.

There is absolutely no chance he would have had the life he currently has now had he stayed in the UK or gone into central Europe. Europe just doesn't pay the same and does not reward you with promotions as quick.

I suppose there is some truth in the saying that you make your money in the US to retire in Europe.
 
If its offered, I think the people of Greenland should take the 2 million dollars to be part of the US.
They can then use it to buy health care that they will no longer have or use it for when unemployed as they won't have help there either
They can also buy bullet proof glass so they will be safe from the murderous scum that would populate the 51st state once they accept the blood money.
 
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