The Green Party

Lovely.

Maybe the loony tit whisperer can hypnotise them into voting for the working class gal who definitely gets them cos she installed a couple of heat-pump boilers in their council houses before clocking off to her near million pound gaff.

Ignoring your unnecessarily disparaging comments about her trade.

You think that the local girl who's from the area, lives/works in the area, won't represent the constituents as well as the London based GB News presenter from St. Albans?
 
Greens now Evens in most places and as short as 8/11 to win Gorton and Denton. Reform out to around 6/4 in most places and as long as 2/1 with one bookie. Labour still the outsiders of the three at around 5/1 typically.

I’m not sure if those odds are purely down to where the money is going or if it’s also based on current polling but the Greens certainly seem to have the most momentum for now. I also see that far-right loon Nick Buckley is running for Advance so perhaps that could be having an affect on the Reform vote.
 
Zack Polanski is doing an excellent job.
The Greens are gaining in popularity because he is speaking of real issues that affect people.
He is discussing subjects, like drug legalisation, that others won't touch for fear of alienating their core vote. He is also calling out global political ogres for the heinous war-crimes they are committing, when others fear they cannot, that are causing division across the world.
He is being attacked because of this, but there is little substance to the insults because once the debate is entered into, the truth is the truth - drug policy has failed, inequality is rife, and hundreds of thousands are being killed in multiple genocides across the world.
 
The Greens have managed to do something quite clever I'll give them that... At the moment they are attracting support from two complete opposites.

The LGBTQIA+ community based on the support for Trans and Non-binary rights and it's commitment to queer liberation. (See the Green Bristol council and the controversies around this)

And

The Muslim community based on their anti islamophobia policies and their support for Gaza and Palestine. (Have a look at the Muslim Greens section of the Greens website. No mention at all of any support for the LGBTQIA+ community.)


Can anyone honestly say they see the two 'sides' managing to work together long term? For me It's an absolute car crash waiting to happen.
 
The Greens have managed to do something quite clever I'll give them that... At the moment they are attracting support from two complete opposites.

The LGBTQIA+ community based on the support for Trans and Non-binary rights and it's commitment to queer liberation. (See the Green Bristol council and the controversies around this)

And

The Muslim community based on their anti islamophobia policies and their support for Gaza and Palestine. (Have a look at the Muslim Greens section of the Greens website. No mention at all of any support for the LGBTQIA+ community.)


Can anyone honestly say they see the two 'sides' managing to work together long term? For me It's an absolute car crash waiting to happen.
And what about all those people who fall into neither of those categories who the Greens are attracting?

Saying it's an absolute car crash waiting to happen is straw-clutching in the extreme and smacks of a Reform supporter who is seeing their chances of taking Gorton and Denton slipping away from them. I mean, if the Greens are a car crash waiting to happen then what the fuck are Reform?
 
The Greens have managed to do something quite clever I'll give them that... At the moment they are attracting support from two complete opposites.

The LGBTQIA+ community based on the support for Trans and Non-binary rights and it's commitment to queer liberation. (See the Green Bristol council and the controversies around this)

And

The Muslim community based on their anti islamophobia policies and their support for Gaza and Palestine. (Have a look at the Muslim Greens section of the Greens website. No mention at all of any support for the LGBTQIA+ community.)


Can anyone honestly say they see the two 'sides' managing to work together long term? For me It's an absolute car crash waiting to happen.
The Muslim community vote is very different because they actually vote as we're all supposed to which is they vote for the candidate and not the party. I doubt many Muslims have any idea about the party, they just trust one candidate above the others to represent them locally.

There is still a high likelihood of polarisation due to the growing independent movement which may attract the Muslim vote, especially in cities like Birmingham. It has already happened in Blackburn not far from me where the Muslim MP is an independent although he was once in Labour.

The Greens meanwhile are I suppose a happy medium because things like Gaza and Muslim rights are at least on the agenda. The proportion however is tiny, likely a handful of candidates versus however many they choose to stand which is why many Muslims are probably going to turn to independents.
 
I do t understand why Polanski hasn’t run in gorton.
They have an unofficial policy of local members who engage with their communities MP selection.

If the main parties did this we might find them more credible. Rather than parachuting Southern lawyers into Northern constituencies who may show up for opening a tea shop twice a year.
 
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Zack Polanski is doing an excellent job.
The Greens are gaining in popularity because he is speaking of real issues that affect people.
He is discussing subjects, like drug legalisation, that others won't touch for fear of alienating their core vote. He is also calling out global political ogres for the heinous war-crimes they are committing, when others fear they cannot, that are causing division across the world.
He is being attacked because of this, but there is little substance to the insults because once the debate is entered into, the truth is the truth - drug policy has failed, inequality is rife, and hundreds of thousands are being killed in multiple genocides across the world.
He schooled Tory K again yesterday.

She loves giving gotcha questions out to discredit anyone that isn't Kemi or Nigel.
 
The Greens have managed to do something quite clever I'll give them that... At the moment they are attracting support from two complete opposites.

The LGBTQIA+ community based on the support for Trans and Non-binary rights and it's commitment to queer liberation. (See the Green Bristol council and the controversies around this)

And

The Muslim community based on their anti islamophobia policies and their support for Gaza and Palestine. (Have a look at the Muslim Greens section of the Greens website. No mention at all of any support for the LGBTQIA+ community.)


Can anyone honestly say they see the two 'sides' managing to work together long term? For me It's an absolute car crash waiting to happen.
Suggesting that it is clever suggests something manipulative. In fact, they are just policies based on humanity.
 
Zack Polanski is doing an excellent job.
The Greens are gaining in popularity because he is speaking of real issues that affect people.
He is discussing subjects, like drug legalisation, that others won't touch for fear of alienating their core vote. He is also calling out global political ogres for the heinous war-crimes they are committing, when others fear they cannot, that are causing division across the world.
He is being attacked because of this, but there is little substance to the insults because once the debate is entered into, the truth is the truth - drug policy has failed, inequality is rife, and hundreds of thousands are being killed in multiple genocides across the world.
The fact that he's a complete fake who didn't know the then prime minister's name a few years ago and is currently spouting nonsense polarising policies culled from the internet with no resemblance to the green agenda doesn't matter then?
 
Greens now Evens in most places and as short as 8/11 to win Gorton and Denton. Reform out to around 6/4 in most places and as long as 2/1 with one bookie. Labour still the outsiders of the three at around 5/1 typically.

I’m not sure if those odds are purely down to where the money is going or if it’s also based on current polling but the Greens certainly seem to have the most momentum for now. I also see that far-right loon Nick Buckley is running for Advance so perhaps that could be having an affect on the Reform vote.
Looks dire for Labour here sadly. Ending up with Loony Left v Loony Right is a sad indictment of what has happened to the Labour and Tory parties. More division looks inevitable and where we end up God only knows.
 
They have an unofficial policy of local members who engage with their communities MP selection.

If the main parties did this we might find them more credible. Rather than parachuting Southern lawyers into Northern constituencies who may show up for opening a team shop twice a year.
Agreed but I meant he’s a local lad too (albeit living in London)
 
The fact that he's a complete fake who didn't know the then prime minister's name a few years ago and is currently spouting nonsense polarising policies culled from the internet with no resemblance to the green agenda doesn't matter then?
Tackling inequality through tax is not polarising unless you are a billionaire.

The legalisation of drugs is not polarising unless you are a dealer or are happy with a failed status-quo that sees dealers making enormous profits while their users are forced into crime to pay for their addiction.

Nationalising utilities is not polarising unless you are receiving dividends while your investment's 'losses' are topped up by the taxpayer. Otherwise, be happy with shit in the seas and soaring prices.

Have you read the Green Party manifesto?
 
Looks dire for Labour here sadly. Ending up with Loony Left v Loony Right is a sad indictment of what has happened to the Labour and Tory parties. More division looks inevitable and where we end up God only knows.
I don't agree with all the Green's policies but I think it's a bit OTT to call them the Loony Left. They've got some policies that are quite noble and rooted in empathy which should be applauded, no matter where one stands politically. While I'm not sure about governing at a national level, if they win this by-election then I can see them doing a good job at local level and surely that's the most important thing in a by-election.
 
I don't agree with all the Green's policies but I think it's a bit OTT to call them the Loony Left. They've got some policies that are quite noble and rooted in empathy which should be applauded, no matter where one stands politically. While I'm not sure about governing at a national level, if they win this by-election then I can see them doing a good job at local level and surely that's the most important thing in a by-election.
They aren't quite equipped to lead the country but they are certainly more than capable to have a foot in some local offices.
 
I don't agree with all the Green's policies but I think it's a bit OTT to call them the Loony Left. They've got some policies that are quite noble and rooted in empathy which should be applauded, no matter where one stands politically. While I'm not sure about governing at a national level, if they win this by-election then I can see them doing a good job at local level and surely that's the most important thing in a by-election.
I'm more interested at national level and think both Greens and Reform would be complete disasters. If the Greens do get in it will be a huge message to Labour to move more left. Not good news for Starmer as Labour MPs would probably react to their jobs being taken by the more left wing candidates of the Greens at the next GE.
 
I'm more interested at national level and think both Greens and Reform would be complete disasters. If the Greens do get in it will be a huge message to Labour to move more left. Not good news for Starmer as Labour MPs would probably react to their jobs being taken by the more left wing candidates of the Greens at the next GE.

I feel that's something of a false equivalence. One of those two parties have some good policies and other policies that that may or may not survive first contact with reality but they are all rooted (rightly or wrongly) in their view of the national interest. The other is a party led by not just grifting opportunists but by people who are quite likely collaborating with foreign actors to our country's detriment. The Greens I suspect will temper their ambitions and platform as realpolitik takes hold. Reform will simply sell the country down the river.
 

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