Is the league, for want of a better word, ‘bent’?

vmsuhail said:
We've had Pep, Rodri and Bernardo themselves say it out in the media in the recent weeks. So, there is something in it, regardless of the performances.
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They’ll have to deal with it or at least address the accusations, you can’t ignore three of the most influential people of the last decade when they all come out with the same comments in a week .
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes I can, and I just did. I will literally say it again now: don't give me that bullshit about every fan thinks their team is badly treated.

By the way, I am not disputing that every fan thinks it, I am saying it's not an argument against our club actually being badly treated, institutionally, over the last decade.

Let's be real here. What interest would the PL have in badly treating, say, Southampton, other than in the, say, six games a year when they play the teams who have been institutionally favoured by the PL? There isn't any.

Now, what interest would the PL have in badly treating City over the same period? You really can't think of any? Not a single commercial reason?

You will be saying "What about the Rodri handball?" next, won't you? Or, "If they were trying to stop City, they didn't do a very good job." Or, "Every manager complains about decisions". Or, "How could they keep such treatment quiet, someone would leak it." Or, my favourite white feather quote, "What good will complaining publicly do?"

All so predictable.
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You’ve just said it for me, so that must be on your mind as well.

Stop trying to be different. We aren’t.
 
Our officials and VARs implementation is shockingly poor and we probably have some of the worst refs in the world atm, and offciating and decisins are terrible across the league not just against city.

However when you have 6 games in row where blatant and obvious fouls, penalties, red cards have been ignored or dismissed then that is a pattern.

Pep, rodders and berny are right to point this out and lets be honest if this was the red scouse or rags manager/players sky in particular would be pro them rather than the dismissve tone given to us
 
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LangleyBlue1970 said:
You’ve just said it for me, so that must be on your mind as well.

Stop trying to be different. We aren’t.
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Answer his specific points Langley. The agenda is also evident in games we aren't even involved in - the agenda being what is commercially beneficial for the pl. Alas, that involves one of utd, liverpool and arsenal doing well.
That's why other teams get bent decisions against them too, and it looks widespread. That said, the analysis and efforts to rule against City, or the lack of effort to find for them, is clear. I used to just put it down to the subjectivety of the ref and var official. Clearly we're not popular and our rise and spending, removed us from being anyone's "second favourite team" long ago. I imagine finding officials to officiate us without their own subjective bias, is extremely difficult. However, I'm now leaning towards it being more deep rooted than that. An institutionalised Cityism.
 
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LangleyBlue1970 said:
Listen to those ironic cheers then when Sunderland for a decision for them. Until then they thought everyone was wrong and going against them
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How many penalties should they have had that were ignored?
How many opposition goals were allowed to stand despite being clearly illegal?
How many of their players had to go off injured because they were fouled all game without their opponent receiving a card?
How many goals did their opponents score despite replays showing they should have been offside but VAR used a graphic to show it was onside that had no relation to what actually happened on the pitch?
Did their opponents goalkeeper clearly handle the ball outside the box but after a couple of minutes of VAR replays the refereeing team decided to ignore it because sending off the keeper is not what the pundits or the neutrals at home want to see?
Using fans getting frustrated DURING THE GAME with what they perceive as injustice when it's only a marginal call isn't making the argument you think it is.
When we played Forest both sets of fans thought the referee was against them, we were unhappy that the referee allowed them to kick lumps out of our players with impunity and that he fell for their diving more than he should, Forest fans were unhappy that he only fell for 60% of their dives and not all of them. Are Forest fans right to be frustrated in this instance?
The same way Arsenal fans would be unhappy if referees suddenly started applying the actual rules to their corner routines and penalising them instead of rewarding them, it doesn't necessarily mean they're right, it means they're frustrated during the actual game despite the laws being correctly applied.
If in the cold light of day, away from the game, Sunderland fans are still frustrated because big game changing decisions were clearly and demonstrably wrong, despite the VAR team checking them in detail, then I'll have some sympathy for them.
 
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simon23 said:
Im not tlalking about the teams...Im taking about the fans of other teams claiming that they dont get pivotal decisions or that refs are biased against them..just go listen to the the arsenal fans for starters!!! - when you listen to others saying it you realise how pathetic it sound
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What pivotal decisions that have gone against Arsenal this season are they complaining about?
 
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It’s no coincidence that since its inception VAR has got worse how can that possibly be,especially when it involves certain teams or games,as for refs they also have seemingly got worse how is that also possible they all can’t be incompetent or constantly making mistakes/wrong decisions..
 
Rhapsody in Blue said:
We have to stop the fucking excuses to try and paper over the cracks that we are playing like shit. Excuses are for losers. No way Fourmidables and Centurions would complain about stuff like this. It doesn't look good. Score more goals and concede less instead.
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You mean score more goals like Solanke did against Newcastle?
Concede less goals like we did against Newcastle where their goal was clearly offside or goals like against Spurs where the goal should have been disallowed?
How many of our goals do you think should be incorrectly disallowed over a season?
How many incorrectly scored goals should be allowed to be scored against us in a season?
Should we start on -1 goals in every game to make it easier for the referee or just against the 'big' teams?
 
The usually line is all fans think there is bias referring towards there club! No club has had it as bad as ours as in absolute stinkers mind boggling ones! Thing is we get a diabolical one and Web backs the the decision up! The red clubs gets an apology
 
Just had a look at the Bluemoon thread on the cafe. This thread has made it onto there.

And what do you know, the replies are like what you’d read on here, but about us getting away with all sorts, paying refs etc etc etc.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Answer his specific points Langley. The agenda is also evident in games we aren't even involved in - the agenda being what is commercially beneficial for the pl. Alas ,that involves one of utd, liverpool and arsenal doing well.
That's why other teams get bent decisions against them too, and it looks widespread. That said, the analysis and efforts to rule against City, or the lack of effort to find for them, is clear. I used to just put it down to the subjectivety of the ref and var official. Clearly we're not popular and our rise and spending, removed us from being anyone's "second favourite team" long ago. I imagine finding officials to officiate us without their own subjective bias, is extremely difficult. However, I'm now leaning towards it being more deep rooted than that. An institutionalised Cityism.
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Yeah, lets have Webb on the Michael Owen miked up show with the audio for :-
1 Rashford/ Fernandes fiasco
2 Cup final handball outside the area
3 Newcastle away PL this season( Foden foul,Doku potential handball,Dias playing Guemaries onside)
4 Newcastle Carabao , forensically identifying Erling offside (what happened to the 5cm tolerence unless your called Wirtz)
5 Wolves penalty, first time a ref has ignored VAR and guess which club suffers.
6 Guehi nonsense at Spursy

I accept we got the Van Dyke one( major complaint by the Dippers SUPPORTED by our friends in the media) and the Rodri handball (we never got to see if Richarlson was offside in the build up.
If i could hear the audio for those baffling decisions then either :-
Yes they are bent or totally incompetent, or both.
 
Gazza said:
VAR decisions are a one way street in a City.game.
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Well almost, but not entirely. Take the Wolves non-penalty for instance. The VAR team included a very experienced referee, albeit with a suspected bias against us, and similarly experienced colleagues. The advice given to them this season, for VAR intervention says:

The ‘Referee’s Call’ will stand unless, in the
opinion of the VAR, based upon the evidence readily available, that call is a clear and obvious error.

• VAR is not in place to re-referee incidents
• Clear evidence required to meet the high threshold for subjective interventions, taking into account what football expects
• Consistency of VAR is enhanced by applying a high threshold for intervention

So the VAR team took several minutes to conclude that the referee had made a clear and obvious error. However, the inexperienced but brave debutant PL referee knew better and he overruled his experienced and better qualified advisors, denying that an offence had occurred.

Bizarre, really, but on this occasion the VAR decision was in our favour. It's just that the referee decided for the first time in the PL this season to ignore it.

The referee was right in a way though, because in our case, decisions against City are "what football expects". Refer also to numerous other rogue decisions this season and over the years.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
You’ve just said it for me, so that must be on your mind as well.

Stop trying to be different. We aren’t.
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I not got the time to trawl through this thread

So are you saying City are treated just the same as every other team

That every other team in the last few matches have had the decisions we have had against us or similar?

If so can you tell me about them
 
Paladin said:
Well almost, but not entirely. Take the Wolves non-penalty for instance. The VAR team included a very experienced referee, albeit with a suspected bias against us, and similarly experienced colleagues. The advice given to them this season, for VAR intervention says:

The ‘Referee’s Call’ will stand unless, in the
opinion of the VAR, based upon the evidence readily available, that call is a clear and obvious error.

• VAR is not in place to re-referee incidents
• Clear evidence required to meet the high threshold for subjective interventions, taking into account what football expects
• Consistency of VAR is enhanced by applying a high threshold for intervention

So the VAR team took several minutes to conclude that the referee had made a clear and obvious error. However, the inexperienced but brave debutant PL referee knew better and he overruled his experienced and better qualified advisors, denying that an offence had occurred.

Bizarre, really, but on this occasion the VAR decision was in our favour. It's just that the referee decided for the first time in the PL this season to ignore it.

The referee was right in a way though, because in our case, decisions against City are "what football expects". Refer also to numerous other rogue decisions this season and over the years.
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Where was this ref this week

Stoke v Soton

Demoted

Supported publicly but then dropped a league after a so called brave decision

Does not stack up for me, they know he was wrong
 
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