VAR Discussion Thread

waspish said:
Typical by new posters with hardly any posts to come on here trying to tell us all we are bias is our thinking! I’ve seen enough and if you watch that analysation of that foul on Guehi for the goal should tell you they are full of shit actually lying that Solanki got the first touch then keep showing that angle! You still see Guehi traps the ball then Solanki gets the poke!
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Penalty and Scharr being sent of at Newcastle is 3 points, there at least 6 games where we have been denied wins due to outright crooked calls by the officials.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
There's just too many things at the same time that are conspiring to handicap City for it to be a coincidence, but lets see.

If you were a betting man would you bet on Liverpool getting the rub of the green or City in the upcoming game?
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Well the worry with 'pool is that they were carrying on to such a large degree with the incident in the last match that one can only guess as to what kind of self correcting mechanism VAR might try to apply at City's expense to deliver "justice" to 'pool for being so wronged last time.

Especially with the match at Anfield you would expect it might go better for them there, but in the end they still have to play City and barring some kind of a scandal I think that would be difficult as usual. On the other hand City who have been undone also might not expect any help in this case given what happened last time, however you interpreted that. I just look for the same thing I look for every time, for VAR not to get involved because any time they get involved it's always unwelcome as far as I'm concerned.
 
I have faith that it works because it does well in other countries let alone other sports. The EPL is bent and if the level of corruption is ever exposed, the brand would become worthless over night.
No club should ever have a gambling company as a sponsor.
 
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VOOMER said:
I have faith that it works because does well in other countries let alone other sports. The EPL is bent and if the level of corruption is ever exposed, the brand would become worthless over night.
No club should ever have a gambling company as a sponsor.
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If the EPL was uniquely vulnerable to VAR implementation, it might be because English football had finely tuned and seasoned the normal traditional way. The idea of throwing a wrench into that model as VAR did is insane on many levels. To throw the LOTG rulebook up into the air and redo everything to help VAR was a huge shock to the system and to the tried and tested way of doing things. If the argument is that the EPL is bent worse than other leagues, then the question is - were they this bent before VAR came into play? Is this overt bent-ness that exists now a product of VAR usage or has VAR merely exposed a kind of dormant bent-ness that was always there but didn't have such a vehicle as VAR. Lets say everything about that is factually true. That's even more of a reason to be against VAR, because of the dangers that would bring, because that it would allow the bent-ness that had been contained be to freed. Why would anyone want to unleash something that was being properly contained for so long, and for good reason.

While I want to make very clear that by no means am I giving the PL a pass for how they've implemented VAR and I find the Ref Watch type shows to be appalling on many levels, I can't stress how important it is to understand that, for all intents and purposes, the PL had VAR imposed on them from FIFA. And what happened in 2018 first with the hard no VAR vote then being coerced into accepting this monstrosity irks me to no end, but I do think there's a danger in trying to hold onto the idea that VAR as a concept is actually good but it's just the people running it that are bent which if you think about it is what you need to accept in order to keep this charade going for as long as it has. Because in this mindset that the people just don't know how to use it ends up keeping VAR going and not actually getting to the root of the problem.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
If the EPL was uniquely vulnerable to VAR implementation, it might be because English football had finely tuned and seasoned the normal traditional way. The idea of throwing a wrench into that model as VAR did is insane on many levels. To throw the LOTG rulebook up into the air and redo everything to help VAR was a huge shock to the system and to the tried and tested way of doing things. If the argument is that the EPL is bent worse than other leagues, then the question is - were they this bent before VAR came into play? Is this overt bent-ness that exists now a product of VAR usage or has VAR merely exposed a kind of dormant bent-ness that was always there but didn't have such a vehicle as VAR. Lets say everything about that is factually true. That's even more of a reason to be against VAR, because of the dangers that would bring, because that it would allow the bent-ness that had been contained be to freed. Why would anyone want to unleash something that was being properly contained for so long, and for good reason.

While I want to make very clear that by no means am I giving the PL a pass for how they've implemented VAR and I find the Ref Watch type shows to be appalling on many levels, I can't stress how important it is to understand that, for all intents and purposes, the PL had VAR imposed on them from FIFA. And what happened in 2018 first with the hard no VAR vote then being coerced into accepting this monstrosity irks me to no end, but I do think there's a danger in trying to hold onto the idea that VAR as a concept is actually good but it's just the people running it that are bent which if you think about it is what you need to accept in order to keep this charade going for as long as it has. Because in this mindset that the people just don't know how to use it ends up keeping VAR going and not actually getting to the root of the problem.
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Which is?
 
VOOMER said:
Which is?
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VAR itself. The system. Thinking that this could be done to football that it would work and be embraced, knowing how football works or not knowing because it's contrary to the normal way of doing things, the accepted way that we know works. Might not be perfect, but if it ain't broke. Thinking VAR could make football better, stringing everyone along in the process, and refusing to reverse course after the results are so apparent, refusing to take corrective action to remove the problem to make the fans happy, to give back the joy they stole.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
VAR itself. The system. Thinking that this could be done to football that it would work and be embraced, knowing how football works or not knowing because it's contrary to the normal way of doing things, the accepted way that we know works. Might not be perfect, but if it ain't broke. Thinking VAR could make football better, stringing everyone along in the process, and refusing to reverse course after the results are so apparent, refusing to take corrective action to remove the problem to make the fans happy, to give back the joy they stole.
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Are you actually saying corrupt and inept officiating in football, should be embraced?
 
VOOMER said:
Are you actually saying corrupt and inept officiating in football, should be embraced?
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No, I'm saying that natural football integrity needs to return and that matches shouldn't be interrupted to change its trajectory in a contrived outrageous fashion. There should be high standards for officiating but not so neurotically high that would cause drastic action to be taken when it was not only unnecessary but in fact harmful and distracting to the normal pursuits.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
If the EPL was uniquely vulnerable to VAR implementation, it might be because English football had finely tuned and seasoned the normal traditional way. The idea of throwing a wrench into that model as VAR did is insane on many levels. To throw the LOTG rulebook up into the air and redo everything to help VAR was a huge shock to the system and to the tried and tested way of doing things. If the argument is that the EPL is bent worse than other leagues, then the question is - were they this bent before VAR came into play? Is this overt bent-ness that exists now a product of VAR usage or has VAR merely exposed a kind of dormant bent-ness that was always there but didn't have such a vehicle as VAR. Lets say everything about that is factually true. That's even more of a reason to be against VAR, because of the dangers that would bring, because that it would allow the bent-ness that had been contained be to freed. Why would anyone want to unleash something that was being properly contained for so long, and for good reason.

While I want to make very clear that by no means am I giving the PL a pass for how they've implemented VAR and I find the Ref Watch type shows to be appalling on many levels, I can't stress how important it is to understand that, for all intents and purposes, the PL had VAR imposed on them from FIFA. And what happened in 2018 first with the hard no VAR vote then being coerced into accepting this monstrosity irks me to no end, but I do think there's a danger in trying to hold onto the idea that VAR as a concept is actually good but it's just the people running it that are bent which if you think about it is what you need to accept in order to keep this charade going for as long as it has. Because in this mindset that the people just don't know how to use it ends up keeping VAR going and not actually getting to the root of the problem.
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I would find it hard to believe that FIFA, having 'dumped' VAR on the PL, gave them further instructions as to how they were to implement it for offsides and handball that would give Howie Redshirt a weekly task of explaining how one 'natural' or 'unnatural' position resulted in a pen for some teams and not for others and how one player was internfering in an offside position and one player wasn't.
 
TheBeautifulGame said:
No, I'm saying that natural football integrity needs to return and that matches shouldn't be interrupted to change its trajectory in a contrived outrageous fashion. There should be high standards for officiating but not so neurotically high that would cause drastic action to be taken when it was not only unnecessary but in fact harmful and distracting to the normal pursuits.
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At this moment in time a minimum is for all officials to have to declare all finances and gifts. The VAR conversations "MUST" heard in real time in the Stadium.
As for standards for officials, they have no standards. They are arrogant and deceptive both in their behaviour and responses to being questioned.
The EPL will protect them, because as I wrote the truth would destroy the brand.
 
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Its the officials not the software that's the issue.
Gillet on Var got so much wrong, simple decisions v Spurs and was also on Var for the cup final when he didn't do anything to tell the baffoon Attwell that Henderson should walk.
You cannot tell me he got all those decisions wrong by incompetance alone.
 
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