Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

[Rory Bluelow]

This is why this constituency is fucked up as a concept, as on a council level labour have been getting stuff done in the centeal gorton and abbey hey area and John and Julie are good councilors ( plus you can always ask john will always answer your quierie if you bump into him on a matchday in the S Stand) Lib dem candidate in this election Pearcey once got in here in abbey hey and was awful as a councilor who did fuck all.

whether the labour councilors for the mount rd, Leve and Longsight areas or for denton and dane bank are any good I don't know, but all the areas that make up this constituency are different in mini ways

From what I see from a distance the Labour Councillors you mention are good people and well respected. I think we’ve far too many layers of Government, far too many MPs and don’t get me started on the House of Cronies.…”Lords my arse”

 

[Vic]

What has Stockport Council got to do with this constituency?

I assumed he was talking about Stockport which is LibDem led. I wouldn't have thought Manchester's two LibDem councillors could have stopped library closures.

 

[Ric]

Probably doesn’t count for much, but driving through this constituency to the game today it was noticeable just how much public support there is for the Greens in terms of posters in windows/boards outside. Saw a handful of Labour banners, but literally no Reform. Guess there could be a few reasons for this, so could be relatively meaningless, but encouraging nonetheless.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Probably doesn’t count for much, but driving through this constituency to the game today it was noticeable just how much public support there is for the Greens in terms of posters in windows/boards outside. Saw a handful of Labour banners, but literally no Reform. Guess there could be a few reasons for this, so could be relatively meaningless, but encouraging nonetheless.

as I have said the indicator will be Farage - they will be doing their own polling - if it looks like a loss Farage will suddenly have had his satnav cut off and Goodwin will be left to die on the battlefield alone

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Probably doesn’t count for much, but driving through this constituency to the game today it was noticeable just how much public support there is for the Greens in terms of posters in windows/boards outside. Saw a handful of Labour banners, but literally no Reform. Guess there could be a few reasons for this, so could be relatively meaningless, but encouraging nonetheless.

Isn’t that just left wing politics vs right wing politics? Left wing has always been very hands on with banners, public awareness etc. The right not so much.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Isn’t that just left wing politics vs right wing politics? Left wing has always been very hands on with banners, public awareness etc. The right not so much.

You need to get out more - where I live which is a rural farming community around the town there were forests of VOTE BREXIT - VOTE SIMON CLARKE banners in farmers fields by the roadside at various votes and we regularly get Reform in the High Street trying to hand out flyers on a Saturday - we did get them from Tenconi's lot ( UKIP?) but I think there was a turf war between them and they stood down but all they do is fill the litter bins so I have no idea why they do it TBH - round here there was great gnashing of teeth when Simon Clarke lost by 200 votes - he pushed for a couple of recounts and the Lib Dem candidate who I know personally had threats after the election for "taking Conservative votes" - the right is not passive by any means

 

[johnny crossan]

Can this thread title perhaps be edited to accurately reference the parliamentary seat involved?

 

[WestGorton]

Probably doesn’t count for much, but driving through this constituency to the game today it was noticeable just how much public support there is for the Greens in terms of posters in windows/boards outside. Saw a handful of Labour banners, but literally no Reform. Guess there could be a few reasons for this, so could be relatively meaningless, but encouraging nonetheless.

The Greens have got a pop up on Mount Road. Obviously targeting Labour voters. The concern is that a split vote may let in a Nazi.

 

[blue by birth]

Lots and lots of Vote Green signs. A handful for Labour. No Reform, but I gather those that do are keeping their vote close to their chest. They came 2nd round here last time on 5k votes.

Labour got over 18k. With Labour haemorrhaging votes to the Greens and Reform, it could literally be anyone, but I pray Labour are gone and the Greens get in. Labour have done nothing positive for the area for decades and tried to shut down our libraries, swimming pools and supermarkets, until we voted in the Lib Dems who stopped them.

Quite a few reform posters in Haughton Green

 

[Ric]

Isn’t that just left wing politics vs right wing politics? Left wing has always been very hands on with banners, public awareness etc. The right not so much.

Haha, fucking hell. Yeah, you never see right wing displays of support. Those St George’s flags on lampposts and painting roundabouts last year never happened.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It's reported tonight that Reform have been funded by a Dubai based NZ businessman and they have spent £17k so far - problem is their limit will be £17.5k

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It's reported tonight that Reform have been funded by a Dubai based NZ businessman and they have spent £17k so far - problem is their limit will be £17.5k

Still time for a Musk type ‘Lottery’, 50 quid each from that old Doris.

 

[Ric]

Can this thread title perhaps be edited to accurately reference the parliamentary seat involved?

Yep.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

It's reported tonight that Reform have been funded by a Dubai based NZ businessman and they have spent £17k so far - problem is their limit will be £17.5k

Does a Dubai-based Kiwi businessman really give 2 shits about the people of Gorton and Denton?

 

[Thaksins Love Child]

The Reform twats had an open top bus in Denton today.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

The Reform twats had an open top bus in Denton today.

Rags, won the weekend off trophy?

 

[Franny 1234]

Quite a few reform posters in Haughton Green

I live on a large mainly council house estate admittedly over 50% bought them.
(St Lawrence rd) Denton and there's more Reform signs/posters up than any others party. First time it's not been Labour with the most.

 

[Blue Lemon]

Probably doesn’t count for much, but driving through this constituency to the game today it was noticeable just how much public support there is for the Greens in terms of posters in windows/boards outside. Saw a handful of Labour banners, but literally no Reform. Guess there could be a few reasons for this, so could be relatively meaningless, but encouraging nonetheless.

That depends on which route you took. The constituency is very diverse.
The A6 has some big Labour displays which are clearly organised by the local party rather than the people inhabiting the building inside, but many individual houses supporting green, especially in Levenshulme.

I can't speak for Denton. Really no idea what's going on there.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Haha, fucking hell. Yeah, you never see right wing displays of support. Those St George’s flags on lampposts and painting roundabouts last year never happened.

Maybe you should have clarified your original comment that Reform voters are just scared to put stuff in their windows in case they get put through being shrinking violets and all that.

Seriously, this thread has been a bit of a breath of fresh air in the main and it's looking like the people of Manchester are going to do the right thing and hopefully set off a chain reaction against Reform.

 

[ZenHalfTimeCrock]

Who should a white Christian vote for in this constituency just asking from an outsider

Based purely on what are likely to have been the most authentic teachings of Jesus in the New Testament (a contentious subject in itself), not Matt Goodwin or Nick Buckley.

This is because - to transliterate the relevant Koine Greek terms - in his preaching, Jesus emphasised impartial love of neighbour/enemy (agape), spontaneous compassion for others (splanchnizomai), and the sharing of material resources (koinonia).

Advance UK obviously stand for the opposite: hatred and division. So that rules them out, and probably Reform too because of their attitude to asylum seekers and their economic policies, that are amplifications of neoliberal ideology and therefore nailed on to further exacerbate economic inequality and corrode social cohesion.

Given that Jesus was hardly eco-friendly (he curses a fig tree and performs an exorcism which involves sending a group of demons into a herd of pigs that then throw themselves off a cliff), white Christians might also want to think twice before voting for Hannah Spencer.

So who does that leave?

To return to that mention of koinonia or ‘sharing things in common’ as practised by the disciples (Acts 2v43-45), for the theologian D. Stephen Long, this demonstrates that “Socialism was Christian before it was…distorted by Marx and Engels.”

So Hugo Wils is the obvious choice. Okay, Communists are atheists, but a quick online search for explanations of the term ‘Liberation Theology’ should reveal that Christianity can and has been fused with Marxist thinking.

Well, you did ask.