Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

[Manchester_lalala]

Haha, fucking hell. Yeah, you never see right wing displays of support. Those St George’s flags on lampposts and painting roundabouts last year never happened.

What’s the reasoning for no reform signs in Denton then?

 

[Ric]

What’s the reasoning for no reform signs in Denton then?

Dunno. Shame? Dwindling support?

Tbf, it’s quite a large, diverse constituency, and I was driving through Gorton rather than Denton. Presumably there are areas where there is significant support for Reform too.

 

[Vic]

Based purely on what are likely to have been the most authentic teachings of Jesus in the New Testament (a contentious subject in itself), not Matt Goodwin or Nick Buckley.

This is because - to transliterate the relevant Koine Greek terms - in his preaching, Jesus emphasised impartial love of neighbour/enemy (agape), spontaneous compassion for others (splanchnizomai), and the sharing of material resources (koinonia).

Advance UK obviously stand for the opposite: hatred and division. So that rules them out, and probably Reform too because of their attitude to asylum seekers and their economic policies, that are amplifications of neoliberal ideology and therefore nailed on to further exacerbate economic inequality and corrode social cohesion.

Given that Jesus was hardly eco-friendly (he curses a fig tree and performs an exorcism which involves sending a group of demons into a herd of pigs that then throw themselves off a cliff), white Christians might also want to think twice before voting for Hannah Spencer.

So who does that leave?

To return to that mention of koinonia or ‘sharing things in common’ as practised by the disciples (Acts 2v43-45), for the theologian D. Stephen Long, this demonstrates that “Socialism was Christian before it was…distorted by Marx and Engels.”

So Hugo Wils is the obvious choice. Okay, Communists are atheists, but a quick online search for explanations of the term ‘Liberation Theology’ should reveal that Christianity can and has been fused with Marxist thinking.

Well, you did ask.

I'm not sure voters in Gorton and Denton would want the refuse collectors to go on strike, even if Jesus was a socialist.

And I doubt they'd vote based on a couple of strange bible stories about figs and pigs. (Actually they're the sort of stories that give authenticity to the bible - why would they make up stuff like that if it hadn't happened?)

If we're still talking about how a white Christian should vote, you should certainly avoid any candidate who agreed with Thatcher's blasphemy that "if the good Samaritan hadn't had money we'd never have heard of him".

 

[Blue Hefner]

It's reported tonight that Reform have been funded by a Dubai based NZ businessman and they have spent £17k so far - problem is their limit will be £17.5k

But is that really a ‘problem’. Things are only problems if their are consequences - what would the consequences be, a fine?

Electoral law, spending limits like this seem like they are from a bygone age

 

[urban genie]

But is that really a ‘problem’. Things are only problems if their are consequences - what would the consequences be, a fine?

Electoral law, spending limits like this seem like they are from a bygone age

Yes it is a problem, why are our local politics being orchestrated by a billionaire from NZ if reform win?

Also for all their bullshit rage baiting and anti foriegner bullshit they are the least british party in the election, funded by yanks, kiwis and russians

farage has spent 30 yrs making a mockery of democracy to line his pockets and push narratives he gives no shits for beyond his paymasters instructions.

 

[urban genie]

My postal vote has arrived, now I need to think hard on whether I vote tactically or as I did the last election as my opinion on any party hasn't changed, but reform need to be kept out

 

[blue by birth]

I live on a large mainly council house estate admittedly over 50% bought them.
(St Lawrence rd) Denton and there's more Reform signs/posters up than any others party. First time it's not been Labour with the most.

Yeah seems more reform near me than any other party..

 

[Blue Hefner]

Yes it is a problem, why are our local politics being orchestrated by a billionaire from NZ if reform win?

Also for all their bullshit rage baiting and anti foriegner bullshit they are the least british party in the election, funded by yanks, kiwis and russians

farage has spent 30 yrs making a mockery of democracy to line his pockets and push narratives he gice no shits for beyond his paymasters instructions.

Sorry, I meant is it a problem for Reform. If they over spend and win, what are the consequences??

I know funding is a problem, that’s why mentioned the system seems from a bygone era

 

[hilts]

Haha, fucking hell. Yeah, you never see right wing displays of support. Those St George’s flags on lampposts and painting roundabouts last year never happened.

He does have a point to a certain degree though, when the Tories get in its amazing how few people actually admit to voting for them and have posters in their windows.

 

[urban genie]

Sorry, I meant is it a problem for Reform. If they over spend and win, what are the consequences??

I know funding is a problem, that’s why mentioned the system seems from a bygone era

criminal charges and possible jail time if proved you fiddled the expenditure or purposely overspent

 

[Rory Bluelow]

You need to get out more - where I live which is a rural farming community around the town there were forests of VOTE BREXIT - VOTE SIMON CLARKE banners in farmers fields by the roadside at various votes and we regularly get Reform in the High Street trying to hand out flyers on a Saturday - we did get them from Tenconi's lot ( UKIP?) but I think there was a turf war between them and they stood down but all they do is fill the litter bins so I have no idea why they do it TBH - round here there was great gnashing of teeth when Simon Clarke lost by 200 votes - he pushed for a couple of recounts and the Lib Dem candidate who I know personally had threats after the election for "taking Conservative votes" - the right is not passive by any means

Politics is passionate - no-one’s passive. They just have different approaches. The Lib Dem’s have the reputation as being totally ruthless campaigners - in local government especially. I don’t think a lot a signs mean much at all in the final analysis.

 

[urban genie]

The last election and first for this ridiculously created new constituency

tories/reform got 22% of the vote combined and 8012 votes
labour 50% with 18555
greens 13% with 4810
workers party 10% with 3766
lib dems 4% with 1999

Only 46% bothered to vote

take it the WP will vote green and some labour moving to them and reform I can still see labour sneaking it with a a massive drop in their majority, I just dont see a 9-10000 vote swing against them and reckon all 3 will be winning 10-12000 votes each


key is the 54% who stayed away last time amd tbh I don't see it that many will bother again, however the party that can get them out will have a good chance

 

[Rory Bluelow]

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The good folk of east Manchester will prevail and Labour will be re-elected.

Fucking hell. I never realised that “Gorton & Denton” included big chunks of Longsight and Levenshulme. That explains a few things. I wondered why my granddaughter (who’d been campaigning for Labour) watched City beat the scousers in the Horseshoe in Leve. And why the Muslim Block organisation backing the Greens was important. You live and learn.

 

[Craig]

Fucking hell. I never realised that “Gorton & Denton” included big chunks of Longsight and Levenshulme. That explains a few things. I wondered why my granddaughter (who’d been campaigning for Labour) watched City beat the scousers in the Horseshoe in Leve. And why the Muslim Block organisation backing the Greens was important. You live and learn.

Yeah, the Greens should get the Muslim vote and then Levenshulme is very left wing. It was always Levenshulme and Gorton but has been extended to Denton

 

[urban genie]

Fucking hell. I never realised that “Gorton & Denton” included big chunks of Longsight and Levenshulme. That explains a few things. I wondered why my granddaughter (who’d been campaigning for Labour) watched City beat the scousers in the Horseshoe in Leve. And why the Muslim Block organisation backing the Greens was important. You live and learn.

It used to be manchester gorton and was gorton, leve, longsight and fallowfield, the safest labour seat in manchester and 5th safest in the country.

then the boundry commision split it and created manchester rusholme from parts of manchester central and adding fallowfield and adding denton to what was left.

It was an unecessary change and makes no sense as you have a constituency where one part is run by one coucil - manchester and the other by tameside, so parts pay different council tax rates and have local leaders with different priorities and policies.

 

[Craig]

The last election and first for this ridiculously created new constituency

tories/reform got 22% of the vote combined and 8012 votes
labour 50% with 18555
greens 13% with 4810
workers party 10% with 3766
lib dems 4% with 1999

Only 46% bothered to vote

take it the WP will vote green and some labour moving to them and reform I can still see labour sneaking it with a a massive drop in their majority, I just dont see a 9-10000 vote swing against them and reckon all 3 will be winning 10-12000 votes each


key is the 54% who stayed away last time amd tbh I don't see it that many will bother again, however the party that can get them out will have a good chance

Well if you’re confident get some money on because the bookies think Labour have very little chance!

 

[urban genie]

Well if you’re confident get some money on because the bookies think Labour have very little chance!

not confident of anything, I jist don't see them suddenly losing the 9000 votes needed to really push them from top spot, they will lose thousands but cannot see it being as many as required. it all hinges on the 56% that didn't bother last time

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The last election and first for this ridiculously created new constituency

tories/reform got 22% of the vote combined and 8012 votes
labour 50% with 18555
greens 13% with 4810
workers party 10% with 3766
lib dems 4% with 1999

Only 46% bothered to vote

take it the WP will vote green and some labour moving to them and reform I can still see labour sneaking it with a a massive drop in their majority, I just dont see a 9-10000 vote swing against them and reckon all 3 will be winning 10-12000 votes each


key is the 54% who stayed away last time amd tbh I don't see it that many will bother again, however the party that can get them out will have a good chance

Who would you vote for tactically? I used to live in the constituency and it was unthinkable Labour would ever lose it. But I guess its classic reform territory.

I can't see the Greens winning. I can see then beating Labour but if they do that I think reform wins. If I was still there I'd vote Labour. That's my gut feel on the best way of keeping reform out.

 

[Metal Biker]

Fucking hell. I never realised that “Gorton & Denton” included big chunks of Longsight and Levenshulme. That explains a few things. I wondered why my granddaughter (who’d been campaigning for Labour) watched City beat the scousers in the Horseshoe in Leve. And why the Muslim Block organisation backing the Greens was important. You live and learn.

Denton, Gorton, Levenshulme, Longsight and Burnage are all part of 'Gorton and Denton' constituency.

Homes of neighbours that were normally 'Vote Labour' have switched to Green. Lib Dems and Tories are dead down here, can't speak for Denton, Reform has a silent presence, Greens are more visible. All depends on how many vote Labour have lost to Greens.

 

[urban genie]

Who would you vote for tactically? I used to live in the constituency and it was unthinkable Labour would ever lose it. But I guess its classic reform territory.

I can't see the Greens winning. I can see then beating Labour but if they do that I think reform wins. If I was still there I'd vote Labour. That's my gut feel on the best way of keeping reform out.

well I voted green last election and planned to with this, as my faith in labour is dead on a national level (I still vote labour them locally btw) but I would vote for labour this time if it seems the only way to stop reform