Denton and Gorton by-election - Green Party wins

[Gabriel]

Starmer and his beloved Arsenal tottering toward a decisive May. Gunners to goners, so to speak.

 

[Ban-jani]

I will be honest it would likely increase, especially if the quality of life improves in line of their policies. How much is acceptable? Depends who you ask, most Reform voters want mass deportations….

Considering Labour have pushed us to the left and the quality of life has decreased since they came to power, with the jobs market collapsing (I work in that industry and despite doing well myself by working smart I regularly speak to people losing their livelihoods over not finding work), I fail to see how out flanking them and increasing taxes and mass migration will improve it.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I think Zack needs to calm down a little here. Yes, I voted Green, but I didn't do so because I believe it was "transformational for British Politics." I did so for two reasons, to keep Reform out and to give Labour and Starmer a bloody nose.

A number of people I've been speaking to (although there are a myriad of other reasons Greens got 14k votes, I accept) feel the same way. Punishing Labour, not advocating Greens. Starmer and his brand of champagne socialist yuppie politics needs to go. We've told him here we don't want it. Punishing working families and people to pay for the workshy and feckless by taxing them to the hilt? Nah, get gone.

Were you comfortable voting green and some of the policies theyve advocated this week?
Or was it simply a protest vote?

 

[Ban-jani]

Starmer and his beloved Arsenal tottering toward a decisive May. Gunners to goners, so to speak.

We can all get behind that

 

[Metal Biker]

Were you comfortable voting green and some of the policies theyve advocated this week?
Or was it simply a protest vote?

Part protest vote, part agreeing with some policies, part to keep Reform out.

I cannot in all good consciousness vote for Labour whilst Starmer and his Cabinet control it.

Gwynne was a fucking arse of a man; entitled politician who lorded it over others. Did nothing for the area which has been deteriorating for years, yet Labour just 'expects' us to vote for them. No more.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I think Zack needs to calm down a little here. Yes, I voted Green, but I didn't do so because I believe it was "transformational for British Politics." I did so for two reasons, to keep Reform out and to give Labour and Starmer a bloody nose.

A number of people I've been speaking to (although there are a myriad of other reasons Greens got 14k votes, I accept) feel the same way. Punishing Labour, not advocating Greens...and keeping Reform out. Starmer and his brand of champagne socialist yuppie politics needs to go. We've told him here we don't want it. Punishing working families and people to pay for the workshy and feckless by taxing them to the hilt? Nah, get gone.

One of the things that we've constantly heard in the media is how Labour have to do X and Y to avoid losing votes to Reform. Basically all of which involve being more right wing. It's nice for them to have a reminder that they can lose votes on the left by pandering to the right.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Were reform ever going to win? Were they ever going to swing a very left wing area right?
Its been left wing forever.
I think reform will see the result as a positive in so much of the amount of votes they got, there will be much more right leaning constituencies that will swing right away from tory rather than left from labour

Sadly that’s probably highly likely, though I hope not.

 

[thelantern]

One of the things that we've constantly heard in the media is how Labour have to do X and Y to avoid losing votes to Reform. Basically all of which involve being more right wing. It's nice for them to have a reminder that they can lose votes on the left by pandering to the right.

What cost Labour the seat was Starmer and in particular his treatment of Burnham, not pandering to the right wing.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

I will be honest it would likely increase, especially if the quality of life improves in line of their policies. How much is acceptable? Depends who you ask, most Reform voters want mass deportations….

This is the question I ask, do we have a limit on how many immigrants we welcome in?

 

[hcblue95]

Were reform ever going to win? Were they ever going to swing a very left wing area right?
Its been left wing forever.
I think reform will see the result as a positive in so much of the amount of votes they got, there will be much more right leaning constituencies that will swing right away from tory rather than left from labour

The right got 10,000 and left got 25,000. I wouldn't say that's a good result for Reform. Especially not if the Tories get rid of Badenoch or this new far right party can take votes off them too.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Reform and GB News are leaning heavily into sectarianism in the vote - thing is at best the seat has 25-30% non Christian population so that would not explain why the Greens got 50% more votes than Reform did - just bad losers and they can see now that Farage will have to work hard ( not something he does ) to become PM - its not just a procession

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Great to see the racists and grifters of Reform massively outvoted.

 

[waspish]

This is the question I ask, do we have a limit on how many immigrants we welcome in?

For me immigration is great for the country always has been they come to work work hard! It’s more about the illegal ones..

 

[MikeF]

Can’t say I’m surprised to see the Green Party win but had Keith let Burnham stand, I think they’d have won. Putting his own self interest before the party. Glad Reform didn’t get in though. I see Farage is copying our orange friend from across the water saying it was cheating.

 

[Winchester]

Nah. THIS is what the country needs.

Nonsense m8

 

[Vic]

Wow - some news to wake up to! Pissed it by over 4000 votes too. Even with Labour imploding and loads jumping ship, Reform couldn’t get anywhere near the Greens.
What it also shows is that while polling was closer than the final result indicated, the bookies had it right all along in making the Greens clear odds-on favourites.

It was the bookies wot won it!

Seriously... no-one seems to be stating the obvious about tactical voting. Who's got the best chance to ensure Reform don't win?

(It doesn't explain how they fixed the odds early in the campaign.)

 

[Metal Biker]

Heidi 'fingers-in-ears' Alexander claiming it's 'normal' for governing parties to lose seats in by-elections.

Not safe seats, it's not!

 

[TKSG]

Tolmie taken it well I see. Complaining on 'x' about too many people with non white skin using his local B&M store.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

For me immigration is great for the country always has been they come to work work hard! It’s more about the illegal ones..

I agree, I’ve got no problem with people coming here and working for a living.

 

[Ban-jani]

For me immigration is great for the country always has been they come to work work hard! It’s more about the illegal ones..

That makes you Enoch Powell on this forum