US & Israel attack Iran

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

The attack on Iran is an extremely complex issue, aggravated by the fact that neither the USA nor Israel are good faith actors - that is, placing humanity and benefit to country above personal gain. USA does what's good for Trump; Israel does what's good for Netanyahu.

That said...

If Iran was on the cusp of developing nuclear weapons - I support the attack.
If Iran was so unstable that the death of its leader would likely result in a regime change in support of the Iranian population - I support the attack.

Whereas...
The attack on Iran will likely boost Netanyahu's popularity.
The attack on Iran will likely boost Trump's popularity.
And that's why the attack occurred. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with societal benefit.

My take is that radical Iranians have a stranglehold on governance and are willing to kill millions to remain in power. Killing their leader simply means that another such will take his place. Even if they are in the minority. They have at least 33% of the population on their side and have all the weapons. Should an uprising occur, not backed by troops on the ground from the USA or Israel... it's going to be a bloodbath - and the side with the weapons (religious zealots) - are almost certainly going to prevail.

 

[bluetonium]

Putin has waded in on it now. Stopped short of calling Trump directly but remains to be seen whether Russia and the US now agree to allow each other to conduct operations against traditional allies and carve up the remains. If so, doesn't bode well for Ukraine and could leave Europe further isolated.

 

[blueinsa]

Bollocks. You mean when you say Muslims as a whole, without nuance, again, and not radicalised muslims, because yes, that is islamophobic.

Oh no, racism gets your post removed and a sit on the naughty step, how oppressed you must feel! As I said in a previous thread, not nice being the minority, is it?

I have zero problems with Jews, as I don't with Muslims or any other religion. However, I have a big problem with the despotic israeli government who are presiding over a genocide and ethnic cleansing, who happen to be Jewish and are defended by some Jews who may well be radicalised too, so I fail to see how I don't practice what I preach.

You're just an agitator, a monkey on the right slinging shit on the sidelines in every thread, cause you're without soul or empathy, so laugh all you want, you literally mean as much to me as a bit of lint in my pocket, helmet.

Ah that word nuance again.

It seems only you knows what it means and only you can apply it to suit?

Instead of howling at the moon and claiming to know what I feel and think about the actions of the Israeli government, it’s easier for you to just pretend you know so you can go on the attack.

You don’t want debate, you just want to shout and be heard and frankly make a twat of yourself as you try being Ronny Pickering about it all lol.

Nuance? Hard one for many to grab on here because it’s pick a side or else politics, America are twats with a ultra right wing government ran by a lunatic, Israel and its governments are murderous twats and so too are despotic regimes like Irans who try to weaponise Islam against anyone who thinks differently and will murder any dissenting voices.

That my view, that’s my position and to fuck with the posters on here that decide you have to pick a side, their side or else!

 

[MCFC1993]

I don't mourn the death of their supreme leader, I do question what the plan is though.

Assassinating the leader of a country without a proper plan in place seems a bit fruitless. Iran has many successors lined up. Does this assassination stop Iran's development of nuclear weapons...I highly doubt it. Just strikes me that the US is getting involved in something that it will soon grow bored of again.

There is also the issue of being able to assassinate a foreign leader, again he's awful man, so no mourning here but feels like you're giving enemies an excuse to assassinate leaders in the west.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Putin has waded in on it now. Stopped short of calling Trump directly but remains to be seen whether Russia and the US now agree to allow each other to conduct operations against traditional allies and carve up the remains. If so, doesn't bode well for Ukraine and could leave Europe further isolated.

Huh?

FFS - Trump is going to do whatever benefits Trump.
Putin is going to do whatever benefits Putin.

Apply the above criterion, and you'll immediately understand what's going on in global politics.

 

[cleavers]

So Iran has replaced one religious fanatic with an even more extreme one, and a bloodthirsty killer with an even more bloodthirsty one. It doesn’t look like the regime is about to fall anytime soon, unfortunately.

Have I missed this news ?

Who ?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Have I missed this news ?

Who ?

FFS - what the fuck do you think will happen when someone with all the guns is assassinated?

I'll answer this for you - some other fuck with all the guns will take control.

 

[RegMuffin]

Weapons of mass distraction methinks.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Weapons of mass distraction methinks.

Probably - but there's every chance that Trump and Israel are warranted in this attack. The problem is that there's no fucking way that I believe this on face value, and indeed, any non-MAGA individual is likely to reach the same concolusion.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You are, and it's the main reason why threads tend to divert or splinter off into pointless, non-related discussions. On a thread about Iran, from a comment I made, that's the thing you pick out and focus on?

Not interested.

You start rabbiting on about police and bin collections, and think I'm the one taking it off topic?

You're hilarious.

 

[lloydie]

‘Never, ever”

 

[Metal Biker]

You start rabbiting on about police and bin collections, and think I'm the one taking it off topic?

You're hilarious.

You're the one who focused on that and ignored everything else. (and still are)

As I said, not interested in pedants.

 

[The blue phantom]

It is a complex situation, and one where the west has no track-record of success.
Israel's actions should command the world's revulsion.
It is for Iranian people to choose their path. This is more complex in a dictatorship, of course.
I don't believe for one minute that you heard Zack Polanski state that he would rather the Iranian people be killed and terrorised.

He did say Israel and the Americans are rogue nations. Of that he is 100% on the money

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You're the one who focused on that and ignored everything else. (and still are)

As I said, not interested in pedants.

Yet here you are

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

On a totally selfish point, I guess the $1,200 I spent last month on flights to Beirut for a wedding in August won’t be used…..

 

[bluetonium]

Huh?

FFS - Trump is going to do whatever benefits Trump.
Putin is going to do whatever benefits Putin.

Apply the above criterion, and you'll immediately understand what's going on in global politics.

That is what is happening, but it is a dangerous game when egos are involved. If Putin condemns action against Iran and Venezuela, and Trump condemns action against Ukraine, but neither actually does anything, instead agreeing to scratch the others' back without repercussion, then potentially the world is carved up exactly how these two megalomaniacs wish. Land gains, caretaker roles over resource-rich regions, Putin and Trump benefit hugely. It's just Europe sat left in the middle.

However, if neither Trump or Putin backs down or even comes out to denounce the other, then the escalation could be significant. The major issue could be if either side asks 'which region is next for our rival power to attack', and doesn't like the outlook.

 

[cleavers]

I don't mourn the death of their supreme leader, I do question what the plan is though.

Tho only plan so far was kill as many of the leaders, and military heads as possible, as quickly as possible.

Does this assassination stop Iran's development of nuclear weapons...I highly doubt it.

It'll set it back a long way, for one thing it won't be a current priority for a while, but lets just hope they're not further on than we thought, and actually have something that might function, as they may try and use it.

 

[SWP's back]

Didn’t mean it as being funny funny but they go on about attacking America and Isreal but then attack Muslim people in the Middle East . Who have nothing ti do with it .

Are you being purposely thick?

 

[cleavers]

FFS - what the fuck do you think will happen when someone with all the guns is assassinated?

I'll answer this for you - some other fuck with all the guns will take control.

Obviously, but the post I quoted seemed specific, but I've never heard of the name mentioned in MSM so far. At this point nobody knows who will end up in power, or how the majority of Iranians will react.

The videos last night of the population cheering the news, says everything about the population, but can they bottle that and do something to gain control ?

 

[SWP's back]

‘Never, ever”

It was never about nuclear weapons.