Nobody said anything about invading.Bang on. Seems like a great opportunity to invade Iran with ground troops to liberate the oppressed!
Good thing you're not in charge of the UK!
And should the UK stupidly go to war... you can count on bone-spurs Trump to have your back... way, way back... inside the USA.
I don't have an issue with the idea of intervention where that intervention is being sought by the people, but a couple of things stand out to me. Firstly, why do so many innocent civilians die when we claim 'precision' strikes were carried out. Secondly, if we're intervening militarily in support of Iranian people who are out protesting an oppressive regime you would expect we would also intervene militarily in support of a country whose citizens are fighting for their lives against a brutal invader.You like quotes? Here's another. "The world is not dangerous because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"
Afghanistan and Iraq are not like Iran. Iranians want this change, and are speaking out in vast numbers. Brave young women defying the Gasht-e Ershad. The Taliban were indirectly funded and supplied by the Ayatollah's regime. Same in Iraq with the militants. That's how the militants were able to keep fighting what they saw as oppressors. But the Ayatollah and most of his command staff are dead now. So who's going to fund their regime against those calling for freedom?
Starting to see how the situation isn't the same? In both Afghanistan and Iraq an outside force was funding them. The Iranian situation has just seen them eliminated. They're going to fund themselves from beyond the grave? The Iranian people are facing off against a leaderless, directionless, panicking and squabbling regime. This is where they take control back.
Oh. My bad. I didn't realize that you were counting on magic pixie dust to bring about regime change...Nobody said anything about invading.
I think you need to calm down, you're not debating rationally.Oh. My bad. I didn't realize that you were counting on magic pixie dust to bring about regime change...
Or, no wait!! I apologize. Please forgive me. I forgot about the recent intervention in Venezuela that brought about a massive regime change after their leader was kidnapped. Surely the same sort of thing will happen in Iran!!!
I think you need to calm down, you're not debating rationally.
I told you, we support the Iranians by taking out the targets they cannot. They themselves on the ground will do the rest.
You could fly from MCR to Shanghai and then continue to Thailand from there.Supposed to fly out to Doha today on route to Thailand but that’s not happening so waiting now to see what hey can do for us . Hopefully can rebook in a couple of weeks .
To quote Del Amtri - nothing ever happens, nothing changes at all
Russia has nukes, Iran doesn't.I don't have an issue with the idea of intervention where that intervention is being sought by the people, but a couple of things stand out to me. Firstly, why do so many innocent civilians die when we claim 'precision' strikes were carried out. Secondly, if we're intervening militarily in support of Iranian people who are out protesting an oppressive regime you would expect we would also intervene militarily in support of a country whose citizens are fighting for their lives against a brutal invader.
This highlights my two two main issues with how 'Western' countries go about this kind of thing. Too often the methods used are too blunt, where in my opinion the protection of innocent citizens should be paramount. Even more concerning though is the hypocrisy and double standards, where we'll intervene against a country for something we do ourselves or where we'll intervene in one instance but not in another similar one. It leads to the inevitable conclusion that there are motivations beyond altruism. The former is bad implementation of something being done for the right reasons, but layering the latter on top of it sometimes makes you question whether we're actually the 'good guys'.
Can't see now that the neighbouring countries can have any sort of relationship with the current Iranian regime on going.I've seen the drone going into the hotel, crazy footage. This is a wild situation and hopefully someone with more knowledge of modern equipment can chime in, but as far as I can find information its suggesting Iran is targeting US and Israeli bases in the area.
I'm unsure on whether they use an EMP sort of thing to defend against drones or something that could veer them away from the intended target.
What I am sure of is they have enough on their plate with the world's most powerful military opening an operation they have decided to name 'Epic Fury' at their gates with a little Netanyahu devil on their shoulder urging no restraint. Deciding now to launch aggression against neighbouring states would have no benefit.
Little off topic, but Tune! Forgot about them. Will add that to my Spotify now. Cheers.
The current regime, no. But the Saudis, Qataris, Bahranians, Emiratis and Kuwaitis might be in favour of a more democratic Iran once this is all over and the current regime is removed.Can't see now that the neighbouring countries can have any sort of relationship with the current Iranian regime on going.
I know Iran is Shia and Iraq was mostly Sunni Wahhabi mate .There is more than one strand of Islam Paul.
The US have being cosying up to the more conservative Sunni majority.
Iran is dominated by the majority of Shia Muslims - more fanatical and hard lined.
There has often been a Sunni vs Shia conflict.
You aren’t debating at all.I think you need to calm down, you're not debating rationally.
I told you, we support the Iranians by taking out the targets they cannot. They themselves on the ground will do the rest.
Cheers mate . Hopefully will be able to go in April .You could fly from MCR to Shanghai and then continue to Thailand from there.
Am I not? So you decide to chime in, did you.You aren’t debating at all.
“We took out an evil man; that’s good — whatever the consequences are tomorrow, so what?”
How does one debate this point? Tomorrow, and next year, and ten and twenty and thirty years aren’t here yet. And if the consequences aren’t good, you won’t be here either to debate.
Nothing to do with Orange Man. Had he gone to Congress, made his case, and Congress approved intervention after careful study of the risks and implications and consequences, I might feel differently. But neither you nor he care about those things, nor the precedent this kind of action sets. In that regard as much as you hate him, you think just like him.Am I not? So you decide to chime in, did you.
You can keep trying but my position is still the same: we assist the Iranians by taking out the regime members that they cannot. Then they, the masses, reclaim their institutions one by one, no need for boots on the ground or military intervention. You can continue pooh-poohing the notion of a nation of oppressed people being free because you hate Orange Man more than you love the idea of Iranians being free from oppression. (I hate Orange Man too, but i'm not blind to the situation in Iran.)
One of the things that the U.S.did was to fund the IRA through NORAID.The US get right on my tits.
I was born in 1968, and they have been involved in more wars than any nation I can think of during that time. I cannot think of a positive long-term outcome to the wars they have been involved in, and our support of them has brought some terror to our streets.
It is not for them to unilaterally decide to attack another nation.
It is not for them to impose leadership on a nation.
To have Netanyahu by their side as a moral ally is preposterous, standing as he does as the commander of a nation slaughtering 72,000 Gazans in the last two years alone.
To have Trump leading the way, convicted felon and sex-abuser that he is, acting as moral judge over the world's regimes, is equally offensive.
It is absolutely time for us to completely abandon the US and Israel as historic allies. I foresee nothing but trouble if we continue to support their heinous acts.
You make an awful lot of assumptions don't you. Is the main reason you're sad about the Ayatollah being gone because they were the regime financing your favourite 'freedom fighters'? See I can make wild assumptions about you, too. It's best to avoid that narrative, that is if you want to have a decent and calm conversation.Nothing to do with Orange Man. Had he gone to Congress, made his case, and Congress approved intervention after careful study of the risks and implications and consequences, I might feel differently. But neither you nor he care about those things, nor the precedent this kind of action sets. In that regard as much as you hate him, you think just like him.