US & Israel attack Iran

[Palerider]

The problem in the Middle East is surely that many there (and worldwide) do not think Israel should exist. Israel, quite naturally, disagree. In 1940 there was 16.5 million Jews in the world, 6 million died in the Holocaust in (civilised) Europe. The Jews have decided not to trust the world. Likewise, I'm sure, the Palestinians have decided not to trust the world.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

After years of defence cuts, I think it's safe to say Britain no longer rules the waves, only one ship available.

Well we probably rule them around Portsmouth.

 

[robbieh]

Carney agrees with the war, but with a sad face. Spain is consistently the sane voice in Europe

Whilst not being extremely left wing he is a socialist and sticks to his principles. As we know and can see from the likes of Farage etc, it is the Right who are usually pro war.

 

[red 2 hats]

Well we probably rule them around Portsmouth.

And Heaton Park boating lake

 

[BlueAnorak]

750 oil tankers hanging around the Arabian sea near Oman.

 

[Palerider]

Whilst not being extremely left wing he is a socialist and sticks to his principles. As we know and can see from the likes of Farage etc, it is the Right who are usually pro war.

Carney was Governer of the Bank of England a well known and principled socialist organisation. As are all banks of course. Up the revolution.

 

[Palerider]

And Heaton Park boating lake

We often go to Etherow Country Park and they have a lake and a hobby group who control motorised boats on them. Very English!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

750 oil tankers hanging around the Arabian sea near Oman.

they've got to go right past Iran. The straights aren't as wide as they look, lots of shallows which means they're going to be running a gauntlet.

I can't believe America, trump, didn't think about that but here we are. Iran ARE going to sink an American ship imo, then we will see how trump tries to use that. Maybe that's his plan.

 

[robbieh]

Like Gaddafi, Hussain and Khameini were peace loving people?!!!!

Syria has fuck all oil in the overall scheme of things which kills your overall argument really.

They weren't removed because they were bad guys. Wake up. Just because the US get involved with one country that doesn't produce oil doesn't mean my point is invalid. And Assad wasn't assasinated. Neither was Maduro but he was kidnapped and Venuzueala produces oil. The US is not a moral force for good anymore than Britain was , or indeed China is. All countries operate out of self interest. What we are discussing on this thread to a large extent is how far it is acceptable to go in pursuit of that self interest.

 

[robbieh]

Carney was Governer of the Bank of England a well known and principled socialist organisation. As are all banks of course. Up the revolution.

I was referring to Pedro Sanchez not Carney.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Is it smart to be advertising the fact that HMS Dragon is waiting in Portsmouth harbour and will be setting sail for Cyprus soon? As we are getting told it's the only boat we have that can do what it does, would it not be more sensible to keep its location and plans a bit more hush hush

We have 6 only 1 was ready for sea 2 more can be readied relatively quickly 3 and under going long term refits, we were supposed to be building 12 cut to 9 then 6 disgrace that we’ve allowed our navy decay as we have. Due to be replaced by the type 83 the navy want 8 which will be the best in the world.

 

[Palerider]

I was referring to Pedro Sanchez not Carney.

My apologies!

 

[BlueRockape]

750 oil tankers hanging around the Arabian sea near Oman.

Like ducks in a row

 

[BlueAnorak]

Oh, for the record the IDF and US militaries claimed to have eradicated 300 done and missile launch sites and equipment yesterday alone.

IRG (Iranian Revilutionary Guard) and PNF (Iranian Police) facilities across Iran are also being eradicated.

 

[BlueAnorak]

they've got to go right past Iran. The straights aren't as wide as they look, lots of shallows which means they're going to be running a gauntlet.

I can't believe America, trump, didn't think about that but here we are. Iran ARE going to sink an American ship imo, then we will see how trump tries to use that. Maybe that's his plan.

Yeah the navigable bit is 25m deep and 11km wide.

If Iran wants to sink a ship they'd better do it soon as all their offensive missiles and launchers will be gone within a week.

The IDF and US militaries are not incompetent like their Russian equivalent.

 

[i kne albert davy]

they've got to go right past Iran. The straights aren't as wide as they look, lots of shallows which means they're going to be running a gauntlet.

I can't believe America, trump, didn't think about that but here we are. Iran ARE going to sink an American ship imo, then we will see how trump tries to use that. Maybe that's his plan.

I think they curve a bit to be fair.

 

[SWP's back]

Like Gaddafi, Hussain and Khameini were peace loving people?!!!!

Syria has fuck all oil in the overall scheme of things which kills your overall argument really.

The first wanted to sell oil in a currency other than dollar. That wouldn’t have done. So did Manduro.

 

[SWP's back]

Oh, for the record the IDF and US militaries claimed to have eradicated 300 done and missile launch sites and equipment yesterday.

IRG (Iranian Revilutionary Guard) and PNF (Iranian Police) facilities across Iran are also being eradicated.

They have 800,000 shahid drones. Can fit 20 into a lorry and move them anywhere totally concealed and can be deployed from the roadside.

One blew up the US Consulate in Dubai yesterday.

 

[The blue phantom]

The problem in the Middle East is surely that many there (and worldwide) do not think Israel should exist. Israel, quite naturally, disagree. In 1940 there was 16.5 million Jews in the world, 6 million died in the Holocaust in (civilised) Europe. The Jews have decided not to trust the world. Likewise, I'm sure, the Palestinians have decided not to trust the world.

If they didn't keep millions of Palestinians oppressed and stealing their land for decades maybe things may be different. As of now along with the Americans they are the Two biggest terriost countries ( bar none ) fuckin this world up.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Whilst I get your point.
Plenty of wars not involving religion.

• The Napoleonic wars
• The American Revolution
• The French Revolution
• The American Civil War
• World War I
• The Russian Revolution
• World War II
• The Korean War
• The Vietnam War
• The Ukraine war

It’s a fair point but i would suggest that religious fundamentalism of all sorts fuels sectarian hatred. A lot of political doctrines like Nazism and communism are similar to religious cults. Hitler and Pol Pot are replacements for God in some people’s brainwashed minds.