US & Israel attack Iran

roubaixtuesday said:
Not sure of the source or accuracy of the post, but it wouldn't surprise me if true. Strategic planning not a strength of the Trump regime, to put it mildly.

We'll see.

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If the EU and the UK are smart, if this intel is true - then we 100% should not be aiding them. This is the chance to actually put the squeeze on Trump and make him feel the heat.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It’s a fair point but i would suggest that religious fundamentalism of all sorts fuels sectarian hatred. A lot of political doctrines like Nazism and communism are similar to religious cults. Hitler and Pol Pot are replacements for God in some people’s brainwashed minds.
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There is no doubt that religion can and does at times fuel sectarian hatred and violence, but to your point in the absence of God malevolent people will find all sorts of pretexts. I think less than 10% of recorded conflicts have a religious dimension, the vast majority of wars are fought over economic resources, territorial and political control and ethnonationalism.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think defensive interceptors against drones is one of the big issues, fundamentally far more expensive than the drones. But cautious about drawing any strong conclusions on that - or anything else in the fog of war.
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i think drones are fairly easily intercepted as we saw with our f35 the other day basically a slow moving sofisticated V1,the number means some get through think the great expense comes with inceptions of ballistic missiles.
 
domalino said:
Everything seems to have gone very quiet on the running out of missiles thing.

It seems like Iran is firing only a tiny amount compared to the first few days and I guess the US and Israel are getting on top of taking out the drones before they’re launched.

The media crackdown on this whole war has been incredible though. Obviously almost nothing coming out of Iran, blackouts in Israel, and the gulf states are not known for their transparency either.
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The coverage has changed from the first two Gulf wars where they’d have hotels full of the likes of ABC, CNN, Sky News etc showing bombs dropping on Baghdad in real time. Now a lot of media is now consumed via social channels this isn’t happening, or perhaps with how gung ho the Yanks and Isreal are with their targeting they don’t want broadcasters in harms way.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The coverage has changed from the first two Gulf wars where they’d have hotels full of the likes of ABC, CNN, Sky News etc showing bombs dropping on Baghdad in real time. Now a lot of media is now consumed via social channels this isn’t happening, or perhaps with how gung ho the Yanks and Isreal are with their targeting they don’t want broadcasters in harms way.
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The media aren't allowed into Tehran, or they'd be there just the same.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think defensive interceptors against drones is one of the big issues, fundamentally far more expensive than the drones. But cautious about drawing any strong conclusions on that - or anything else in the fog of war.
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This is why there has been lots of talk about solid state lasers (ytterbium or erbium based) to take out drones, as the cost per shot is a few dollars. The problem is that they are about 2-3 yrs from mass deployment on multiple platforms. Type 45 destroyers will start being retrofitted next year.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Not sure of the source or accuracy of the post, but it wouldn't surprise me if true. Strategic planning not a strength of the Trump regime, to put it mildly.

We'll see.

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Well, of course the "Iran strike consumed more long range munitions than 4 years of Ukraine"...
... as Ukraine didn't get any long range "munitions". Right?

Betting that US military is running out of bullets after a week sounds quite hopeful to me at best.

Maybe Trump isn't a strategic genius - but US forces have their experts. And Israel surely as well. Both know exactly what they want.

I suppose the use of Tomahakws is typically seen in the 1st phase to take out huge and important targets.
We are beyond that now, Israel is targeting RGC and Police,

while US Navy will defo care for Hormus strait. Btw, if tankers are burning and sailors as well - international pressure will fully turn against Iran and the justification for US/ISR attacks would get some more justification.

Surely, amount of Iranian drones are a huge problem, but
it seems US/ISR are determined and willing to go for regime change. The exact development for anybody involved is unpredictable, in that way it's easy to easy to say US/ISR have no plan. And of course they wouldn't tell, logically.

ISR are smelling with Trump they have the unique chance to do what they can to minimize their threats they have around.
Hezbollah is already quite weak, while Huthi are very quiet, they could be next.

Wish people could live in peace like myself. But we have egoism, narcissism, greed for power, stupid religion and status behaviour to be better, stronger, bigger, smarter and more beautiful, so we'll have the same boring shite again and again. Homo sapiens my arse.
 
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johnny crossan said:
German disloyalty criticized by Spanish PM, Merz sitting nodding next to Trump as he laid into UK and Spain

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I suppose on the political global stage its the equivalent of sitting next to Frank Begbie from Trainspotting, or the local headcase in your local pub. Smile, nod, placate until you get into a private space, puff yer cheeks out, and laugh at what an absolute fucking knobsack said person is.
 
argyle said:
I wouldn't take anything at face value unless corroberated by other reputable sources.

Too much 'hot takes' across the political spectrum at the moment.
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www.thedailybeast.com

Trump Caught in Frantic Scramble to Replenish Iran Weapons

Pentagon insiders have contradicted Donald Trump’s claim that the U.S. has an “unlimited” supply to fight Iran.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: Defense executives plan to meet at White House as strikes on Iran diminish stockpiles

Companies including Lockheed Martin and Raytheon parent RTX have been invited.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
i kne albert davy said:
i think drones are fairly easily intercepted as we saw with our f35 the other day basically a slow moving sofisticated V1,the number means some get through think the great expense comes with inceptions of ballistic missiles.
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Could be. I understood both were very expensive relative to the incoming armament; eg we've had reports of RAF F35 shooting down drones with air to air missiles. But could be wrong.
 
Today it dawned me that this is the closest we globally can get to a World War 3.

Asia South America Africa are not involved in the conflict but they will inevitably forced to take sides.

There are countries condemning the death of Iran leaders (Russia and China included) and there are countries taking the US-Israel sides (Canada and Australia included) and then there are countries who are forced / coerced to take sides.

It is uncannily strange how agreements between the two countries Iran and US were progressing and then 12 hours after Epic Fury happened.

Because I still believe we globally are more egalitarian now than WW2 and politics and ceasefires now are less warmongering than WW2. But we never know until the point of no return, especially a country that is forced into a corner, has possible backing by other countries, has itself around an army of 2 million far more than in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam; have splinter cells urban warfare and militants all over the world.
 
robbieh said:
They weren't removed because they were bad guys. Wake up. Just because the US get involved with one country that doesn't produce oil doesn't mean my point is invalid. And Assad wasn't assasinated. Neither was Maduro but he was kidnapped and Venuzueala produces oil. The US is not a moral force for good anymore than Britain was , or indeed China is. All countries operate out of self interest. What we are discussing on this thread to a large extent is how far it is acceptable to go in pursuit of that self interest.
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Agree with you, I’m not prepared to kill anyone no matter how abusive we imagine they or their government is. In all of the current crisis has anyone other than Spain declared killing people is not okay it’s wrong, we’ve been drawn into accepting killing on a mass scale is acceptable. Its murder over a thousand already in Iran and Gaza untold thousands dead.

We have weak government Starmer has been blackmailed by Trump to allow our bases to be used
 
threespires said:
There is no doubt that religion can and does at times fuel sectarian hatred and violence, but to your point in the absence of God malevolent people will find all sorts of pretexts. I think less than 10% of recorded conflicts have a religious dimension, the vast majority of wars are fought over economic resources, territorial and political control and ethnonationalism.
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Agreed. Tribalism and sectarian hatred seems to be a human trait sadly. Religion can often be a convenient excuse especially when it is aligned with nationalism. It’s depressing though.
 
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