US & Israel attack Iran

Right, no more using our bases, no more support. Fuck them off now Starmer. Get a bit of pride back.

In an ideal world, sure.

But we need that strait open and we don't want the refinery in Qatar to be attacked again.

So it's now a balancing act of preventing retaliation against our energy and ecomomic interests and not being dragged fully into this ridiculous war that should never have been started.
 
In an ideal world, sure.

But we need that strait open and we don't want the refinery in Qatar to be attacked again.

So it's now a balancing act of preventing retaliation against our energy and ecomomic interests and not being dragged fully into this ridiculous war that should never have been started.
That strait that was open a couple of weeks ago?
 
In an ideal world, sure.

But we need that strait open and we don't want the refinery in Qatar to be attacked again.

So it's now a balancing act of preventing retaliation against our energy and ecomomic interests and not being dragged fully into this ridiculous war that should never have been started.

I’m speaking as someone that has voted green before now. We need to drill for gas and oil right now. Get as much energy independence as possible.

Then build double the amount of nuclear plants than we think we need while also hammering green tech ( and new battery tech ) as much as we can to phase out all gas power stations as soon as we can but there is a time window that needs to covered.

With AI there is never going to be too much electricity. Having an independent excess would be amazing.
 
I’m speaking as someone that has voted green before now. We need to drill for gas and oil right now. Get as much energy independence as possible.

Then build double the amount of nuclear plants than we think we need while also hammering green tech as much as we can to phase out all gas power stations as soon as we can but there is a time window that needs to covered.

With AI there is never going to be too much electricity. Having an independent excess would be amazing.

I've read that there's no real gas and oil reserves for us to drill and even if we did it's sold on the world market. Not for us to keep ourselves.

But I agree that not building nuclear power stations along with not fully investing in wind and solar energy has left us at the mercy of things being calm in the Middle East.
 
I've read that there's no real gas and oil reserves for us to drill and even if we did it's sold on the world market. Not for us to keep ourselves.

But I agree that not building nuclear power stations along with not fully investing in wind and solar energy has left us at the mercy of things being calm in the Middle East.
Much as I agree that we need Nuclear power, would any of us want one near us? I'll be honest, I don't. I've no doubt they're very safe on the whole, but still, I'd rather it was near you, if you're a long way from me.

:-)
 
Not so sure on them been hit by drones, the way a carrier fleet works is the carrier is surrounded by other ships, for them to get to it, the drone wouldve had to pass by a dozen other ships, I’m not saying it couldn’t happen but more than likely it would be shot down or Iran would just try to hit an other ship, the report I saw said it could be disgruntled sailors who started the fire!
Apart from the ships surrounding the carrier, there are the combat air patrols that are always looking out for hostile planes and missiles.
And if anything should manage to get past all the defensive hardware ( very unlikely) that is when the Phalanx CIWS takes over. It is a multi -barrel cannon that has a 4500 rpm rate of fire.
They just rip small boats, drones and cruise missiles to shreds.
 
I’m speaking as someone that has voted green before now. We need to drill for gas and oil right now. Get as much energy independence as possible.

Then build double the amount of nuclear plants than we think we need while also hammering green tech as much as we can to phase out all gas power stations as soon as we can but there is a time window that needs to covered.

With AI there is never going to be too much electricity. Having an independent excess would be amazing.

gas and oil in the North Sea would typically take 3 to 10 years + to come on stream
Nuclear 10 to 15 years costs billions of pounds and we need the Chinese to build it
solar farms take 1 - 3 years to come on stream
on shore wind 4 - 11 years

Drilling in the North Sea would mean the existing companies or new entrants drilling it - we have no UK Govt owned entity to do this
It then needs to be refined on shore - we have no UK Govt owned entity to do this
Govt can sell licences for drilling - there is no royalty on amounts drilled but there is a 78% tax on profits. Therefore the licence holders have an interest in getting the most cash per barrel to profit - $150 per barrel will be taxed the same rate as $80 per barrel but will be more profitable for the company selling it. So it will be sold on the market and will make no difference to our supply at all. All this info is readily available - don't listen to the lies
 
I’m speaking as someone that has voted green before now. We need to drill for gas and oil right now. Get as much energy independence as possible.

Then build double the amount of nuclear plants than we think we need while also hammering green tech ( and new battery tech ) as much as we can to phase out all gas power stations as soon as we can but there is a time window that needs to covered.

With AI there is never going to be too much electricity. Having an independent excess would be amazing.
I asked AI...

Would new north sea drilling benefit the uk?

New North Sea drilling would provide minimal financial benefit to UK households while failing to significantly lower energy bills or ensure long-term energy security. Analysis from the Oxford Smith School indicates that even if the UK maximized extraction and redistributed all tax revenues directly to consumers, annual savings would be a modest £16 to £82 per household, compared to potential savings of up to £441 per year from a fully renewable energy transition.

Arguments against new drilling highlight that the North Sea is a mature basin with reserves in terminal decline, meaning production will fall regardless of new licenses. Experts note that new drilling is incompatible with the UK's 1.5°C climate commitments, as the remaining oil is largely exported (roughly 80%) rather than used domestically, and new projects take years to come online, offering no immediate relief to current price crises.

Conversely, industry bodies like OEUK argue that domestic production is necessary to reduce reliance on volatile global markets and expensive LNG imports, which have a higher carbon footprint than UK gas. However, critics point out that the UK's production volume is too small to influence global prices, and without significant tax breaks, new projects are increasingly uneconomic, with some fields projected to result in a net loss to the Treasury while generating profits for operators.
 
I asked AI...

Would new north sea drilling benefit the uk?

New North Sea drilling would provide minimal financial benefit to UK households while failing to significantly lower energy bills or ensure long-term energy security. Analysis from the Oxford Smith School indicates that even if the UK maximized extraction and redistributed all tax revenues directly to consumers, annual savings would be a modest £16 to £82 per household, compared to potential savings of up to £441 per year from a fully renewable energy transition.

Arguments against new drilling highlight that the North Sea is a mature basin with reserves in terminal decline, meaning production will fall regardless of new licenses. Experts note that new drilling is incompatible with the UK's 1.5°C climate commitments, as the remaining oil is largely exported (roughly 80%) rather than used domestically, and new projects take years to come online, offering no immediate relief to current price crises.

Conversely, industry bodies like OEUK argue that domestic production is necessary to reduce reliance on volatile global markets and expensive LNG imports, which have a higher carbon footprint than UK gas. However, critics point out that the UK's production volume is too small to influence global prices, and without significant tax breaks, new projects are increasingly uneconomic, with some fields projected to result in a net loss to the Treasury while generating profits for operators.
AI is so wank it can’t spell licences correctly…
 
I've read that there's no real gas and oil reserves for us to drill and even if we did it's sold on the world market. Not for us to keep ourselves.

But I agree that not building nuclear power stations along with not fully investing in wind and solar energy has left us at the mercy of things being calm in the Middle East.

Depends what’s read I think some reports seem to suggest 3-5 years worth others suggesting at least double that not including fracking ( really not a fan of that idea )
 
I asked AI...

Would new north sea drilling benefit the uk?

New North Sea drilling would provide minimal financial benefit to UK households while failing to significantly lower energy bills or ensure long-term energy security. Analysis from the Oxford Smith School indicates that even if the UK maximized extraction and redistributed all tax revenues directly to consumers, annual savings would be a modest £16 to £82 per household, compared to potential savings of up to £441 per year from a fully renewable energy transition.

Arguments against new drilling highlight that the North Sea is a mature basin with reserves in terminal decline, meaning production will fall regardless of new licenses. Experts note that new drilling is incompatible with the UK's 1.5°C climate commitments, as the remaining oil is largely exported (roughly 80%) rather than used domestically, and new projects take years to come online, offering no immediate relief to current price crises.

Conversely, industry bodies like OEUK argue that domestic production is necessary to reduce reliance on volatile global markets and expensive LNG imports, which have a higher carbon footprint than UK gas. However, critics point out that the UK's production volume is too small to influence global prices, and without significant tax breaks, new projects are increasingly uneconomic, with some fields projected to result in a net loss to the Treasury while generating profits for operators.

Im not suggesting we put the gas on the market. Im suggesting government controlled drilling and using it to supply power stations until alternatives can be put in place.

We need to be as energy independent as possible and selling that gas on the open market kills that idea.

So the question is how much gas is there available that we can use just for the UK power stations and maybe gas supplies to homes
 
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Given the effect on the climate of the war (all the oil fires etc), more burning of fossil fuels doesn't really sound like a way to "security", just to frying sooner.
 
Given the effect on the climate of the war (all the oil fires etc), more burning of fossil fuels doesn't really sound like a way to "security", just to frying sooner.

I don’t disagree that we need to move away from gas but the reality is we use gas. Right now we Import lots of gas and that supply is at risk. Getting it from our door steps until alternatives are capable of supplying 100% of our needs is cheaper and “greener” and safer to keep the country ticking over. It’s a 5-10 year window that needs filling.

my view ( until fusion is a reality ) is that nuclear, solar and wind are our main ways out from reliance on gas. But wind and solar need storage mechanisms we don’t have yet. Standard battery tech isn’t overly viable. The reality is for a while we are reliant on gas and need to keep that gas flowing until we are not
 
Im not suggesting we put the gas on the market. Im suggesting government controlled drilling and using it to supply power stations until alternatives can be put in place.

We need to be as energy independent as possible and selling that gas on the open market kills that idea.

So the question is how much gas is there available that we can use just for the UK power stations and maybe gas supplies to homes
It will be put on the market by the oil companies that "we" (The Tories) sold it to. "We" can't do shit other than grant new licences and make some extra tax money on it, if we're lucky, but that's it. As per the answer above. It won't make a jot of difference.

The way to be more independent from fluctuations in global oil prices is to invest in more renewables and fuel/energy efficiency.

Look it up. The questions you're asking me, ask them to your search engine of choice...
 
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